Ya know, it comes down to a comment I posted to the list a few weeks back. The DeLorean is a DeLorean...it is unlike any other car. It is NOT an Audi TT, it is NOT even a Lotus Esprit. The DeLorean was never intended (up until the twin turbo development) to be a *high performance sports car such as a Porsche, etc. It was supposed to be a "Mercedes for America" taking after the classic SL300. It was concieved as a safety vehicle. On page 58 of Stainless Steel Illusion, you can clearly see a DeLorean prototype with a "DSV" emblem on the front of the grille, representing "DeLorean Safety Vehicle." And now the DeLorean is a representation of what could have been, a dream that only became reality for a short time. So to hear people piss and moan about the DeLorean lately has really started to but a thorne in my toe. Thats like complaining about how poorly the 1948 Tucker handles as compared to the latest Mercedes S 500. Its a 48 Tucker...just as its an 81 DeLorean. In the end you either love the DeLorean and will respect it, or you will simply make an ass out of yourself. If you dont love the DeLorean with all your heart then maybe this is not the mailing list for you. My 2 cents Justin 5172