You know, it's stories like these that just go to show exactly what kind of car they built. Sure, they have their quirks, and like anything else, if not taken care of, they deteriorate, but I've never lost the chance to tell someone how much more dependable my 83 DMC is over my 98 Camaro. So far because of break downs the Camaro has been in the shop 12 times, the DMC 0. Pretty good stats I think. Scott