[DML] Respect and Courtesy.

[Marc Levy <malevy_nj@xxxxxxxxx>]

[MODERATOR NOTE:  This message pushes the edge of two rules, name calling and hearsay, but in my opinion it does not cross the line.  Please be polite, act like gentlemen and ladies, and do not quote non-DML messages on the DML.  - moderator Mike Substelny]


> Moderator Mike, I don't see any name calling. Marc
> is just asking a
> question and I'll be glad to give him an answer.

Ah, but your response DOES include name calling.

> Well Marc, since most of my posts occured after your
> "Sonny" sleuthing
> you'd think any intelligent person would realize you
> could do the same
> to anyone else. That would make me pretty dumb
> wouldn't it? Unless I
> was hoping you'd stumble upon it. Now there is a
> crafty idea. I could
> have changed my IP at anytime to avoid your little
> game. What is it in
> this post? See the point? Perhaps it has something
> to do with you
> playing Marc Levy, Internet Commando and Keeper Of
> The Faith. Why
> don't you ask Sonny?

I think your statement above indicates that YOU are
the one playing the game.  Is this a Courtesy and
Respectful use of the DML?

FWIW, when I read posts from "endotex23" I never even
noticed that it was not from "jetjock11".  Based on
the posts alone, I assumed they came from JetJock!  It
was someone else who brought this to my attention.  I
don't know why that person did not "take credit" for
it.

> So what is your point? I don't see the tone of my
> posts as being bad.

Then you need some 3rd party perspective.  Your posts
as both endotex23 and jetjock11 are always
condescending.  If you want to offer good advice, go
ahead.  But are you doing it for our benefit or yours?
Talk about ego problems.. LOL!

> Is what I post wrong? Is it delivered in a
> disrespectful or
> discourteous manner? Aren't I the one who suggested
> we all be nice?

You are disrespectful.  Even this post is
disrespectful.  Don't you remember a similar
discussion on the DMC Forum about the tone of the
jetjock11 e-mails?

> Regardless of who I am why do you feel I'm using a
> false alias? Maybe
> this checksix fellow was false, it's not uncommon
> for people to hide
> their identity on the internet. Look at Sonny for
> example. If Sonny
> didn't matter why should I? He had a hidden agenda
> to sell products.

Sonny's agenda may have been more obvious than yours..
but that does not mean you don't have one.

> What do you suppose my agenda is? To learn morals
> from you? I don't
> sell anything Marc, I give it away free. I also
> respond to ID

Feed your own ego?  Make yourself feel better by
putting others down?  I am sure a psychiatrist would
be better suited to try and explain your motivation
here.

> challenges. Maybe not the way you'd like so as to
> bolster your ego but

My ego?  I don't think so..  Again, I can't take
credit for discovering that endotex23 and jetjock11
use the same IP address, nor can I take credit for
noticing that a post which came from SonnyV was signed
James Espey.  Maybe because I am so controversial on
this list, I become a magnet for people to inform me
of these things with hopes that I take it public.
Which I did, after verifying the facts.

> I respond nevertheless. For example why didn't you
> ask about this by
> email? I think we all know the answer to that
> question.

Respond, sure.. But just with personal attacks on me. 
You did not answer my question. In your entire message
you neither confirm nor deny if endotex23 and
jetjock11 are the same person or not.

> Would you feel better if I left and returned under
> another name? It
> would take me five seconds to do so (and with a
> different IP) but I'd
> still be the same guy, whoever you think I am. I
> also apologize if I
> don't live up to your standards of respect and
> courtesy. (People who

How about your real name?  What are you hiding from?  

> live in glass houses and all that. Of the posts I've

Have I been guilty of using multiple names on this (or
any) list?  Have I found fault with anything anyone
has done that I have done myself?  I don't think so.

> seen you strike
> me as less than a Carnegie graduate). I thought I

Is this supposed to be an insult?  Because it is a
form of name calling.. Amazing how the moderators
allowed your post.

I guess one would have to be a graduate or a fancy
school to keep track of which name to use with which
alias.  How do you know when to sign a post with
"Greg" or "Gary"?

> was doing OK but
> I'll try to do better in the future. Until then take
> some advice: You
> can't expect others to live up to your own moral
> standards or you'll
> be sorely disappointed. Accept that as the way it is

No moral standards.. Just looking for "Respect and
Courtesy" among the members of the list.

> and spare me your
> lectures because you'll only be wasting your breath.

You first!  

> Try offering
> something useful to the group instead, assuming you
> can.

I may not offer too much technical advice because
there are other members of the list more qualified to
do so.  I have no problem accepting that others may
know more than me on a great number of topics, however
I don't suspect you would ever do that.

More importantly, I never claim I am something which I
am not..  But I have lost count of the number of cars
(DeLorean, and otherwise) that have found their way to
my garage for me to help out someone in need.

Speaking up for fraud and injustice is very useful. 
I'd like to the the masses appreciate it, because
otherwise I am sure I would have heard about it by
now.  Although I appreciate all of the private
support, I do wish my supporters would be more vocal
in public.

> Greg

Marc <- wow!  My REAL name, What a concept.

> By the way, are you the guy sending me hate mail?
> Stop.

Nope.  Can't say I have ever sent anyone "hate mail". 
But, nothing is anonymous on the Internet.  Your a
smart guy, track it down!





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