--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Matt Spittle" <supermatty@xxxx> wrote: > I studied the diagram to answer my own question, and I wasn't able > to; not even with a background in electrical engineering.< Matt, first off I apologize if I offended you. I was both making a point about learning things in general and also making a few assumptions in your particular case. The assumption I was making is you were aware of the RPM relay's function. As you pointed out it's stated in the manual and the diagram shows the relay as having an input from the ignition module. To anyone trained in circuit analysis that should have jumed right out. Plus the archives are full of references to this because of it's associated effect on the fuel pump circuit and the relay is also used in many other vehicles for the same purpose. I assumed it was common knowledge among anyone who has owned the car for a period of time and among anyone who frequents the DML. Since you're not a new owner (and one with a background in electrical engineering) I also assumed you had already developed a basic working knowledge of the car's electrical system and were aware of this detail. I shouldn't have made any of those assumptions. My bad. It's obvious from the diagram the frequency valve is sunk, not sourced, for control. There is only one power input on the Lambda controller so it should be intuitive the valve will not operate unless power is supplied to the controller via the RPM relay. Since the controller has but a single output sunked to the frequency valve (and since the service manual in many places states what this output does) a schematic of the controller should not be required to fathom it's basic operation. It's sole purpose is to control the frequency valve at a variable duty cycle in response to a hot O2 sensor (closed loop) or at a fix duty cycle during open loop and during a contact closure of either the WOT or coolant switch. It must be powered to do this and as you say, the key to understanding when the controller (and hence the frequency valve) is active lies in understanding the RPM relay. I should not have made the assumption you were aware of the relay's purpose, as well known as it seems to be. I also assumed people would do a quick search of the archives or service manual prior to asking. In some ways it further validates my opinion about learning things versus handholding but again, my apologies. As David points out, perhaps lower expectations on my part are in order. Greg To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/