I guess the thing that bothers me about this "discussion" is that I have to sit here and defend a product that I have been using for over a year against people who haven't used it, and thus can't possibly have a clue as to its value. I guess no matter what, people are going to argue especially when you decide to change the car from its stock configuration. So, I am going to drive around with my shiney stainless steel air box and show it off at car shows, along with my stainless steel fuel lines, and custom exhaust and let people ooh and ahh about how cool this thing looks. They will know I take pride in my car, as the Delorean purists walk by and sneer. At least I am enjoying it! Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "DMCVIN6683" <dmcvin6683@xxxxxxxxx> To: <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [DML] Re: Upgrading the Air Filter > > > John that is what some of them are saying but i dont believe it either, > I am on your side for this discussion. > > Mark V > > > > On Friday, December 3, 2004, at 11:07 AM, John Hervey wrote: > > > > > > > Hey Guy's help me out here, > > So, What yall are saying is that when new products come out there will > > be no > > improvement in performance and efficiency because it wasn't available > > 24 > > years ago for them to evaluate when they designed the car / engine. > > Then all the claims that Bosch, MSD, Mallory, K & N not counting all > > the > > other the 100's of companies that have the engineering money are wrong. > > For example, Bosch in the platinum + 4 plugs. They have poured > > Millions into > > design and research and state the +4 is the Best plug. MSD again have > > poured > > millions and have developed a multi million dollar industry in improved > > ignition performance products. > > And K & N took 50 year old technology and improved the air filter from > > being > > big and bulky to compact and spray on the oil. Maybe if spray oil was > > invented 50 years ago the old oil bath filter would have never been > > made. > > If what your are saying is true, then why are engineering departments > > all > > over the world trying to build a better mouse trap and always trying to > > improve the existing ones. > > Sorry, I don't understand: I just know That if you keep on doing what > > your > > doing then you keep on getting what you got. > > John Hervey > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mike.griese@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:mike.griese@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 10:59 PM > > To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: Re: [DML] Re: Upgrading the Air Filter > > > > > > > > > > Marty - this reinforces my point exactly. It's kinda funny that > > a bunch of experienced engineers with a large amount of > > resources available to them can deliver a better design than > > a novice. > > > > -- > > Mike > > > > > > -------------- Original message from wingd2@xxxxxxx: -------------- > > > > > >> > >> > >> Mike, > >> > >> I agree with you on this. The only real way to verify claims of power > >> increases is thru actual testing. Like David T was saying, these > >> engines > > were > >> developed with all the parts working as a "package" and just > > changeing/modifing > >> one > >> part of this package does not necessarily equal performance gains. > >> When > > Casey > >> first came out with his new air filter housing I liked the design, but > >> questioned the actual gains that were claimed. We've done actual dyno > > testing > >> (Bob > >> Brandies has the charts) of the stock Delorean air filter housing and > > different > >> filter combinations available for the car and, believe it or not, the > > stock > >> Delorean air filter housing is designed and works very well with this > > engine. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: > > moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx > > > > For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see > > www.dmcnews.com > > > > To search the archives or view files, log in at > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews > > Yahoo! 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