James and List, I believe the "adjusting" of door VIN's started as early as the late 82 production and the 83 production was constantly adjusted. I just looked under the headliners in an early 82 10xxx series VIN car and found it to be marked with VIN...7300. (81 stopped at 7199) I looked at VIN..20103 here in Chicago a number of years ago before it was sold to its current owner (someone in Canada). I remember the seats were out for cover replacement, but I will check my notes to see if I recorded any 'cave drawings' if the headliners were out. It would be great to find out more about the "factory intentions" for all the 82 and 83 series VIN's with a better sample set of data from each of the series, especially at the low and high ends of the VIN series, but I'm not sure how to get other owners interested. Maybe DMCH can offer a discount on headliner "fir trees" during the Christmas season to encourage owners to look under their headliners. Later, Rich W. --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "James" <james@xxxx> wrote: > > > Rich, > > It'd be interesting to know what's under the headliners on all these > 15XXX, 16XXX, 17XXX and 20XXX vins. > > In my experience here, the 15XXX vins all have 10XXX numbers on them - > where the XXX is the last three digits on the VIN. > > The 16XXX vins are 11XXX cars underneath the headliners. > > I've got one 17XXX vin here now in Houston, and I know I've looked > under it before and if I recall correctly, it was a 12XXX vin underneath. > > Haven't seen a 20XXX vin car for awhile, but we have a handful of > doors here that have 20XXX marked on them, that are either damaged or > with numbers HIGHER than the last known car (20104). > > James > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/