I don't remember seeing DMCH claim they also owned the STYLIZED FORM of "DeLorean".. Just the Logo. Although, I see they did register it LAST YEAR December, 2003. See serial number 78344118. The registration serial 76165416 from Ephesians 6:12 expired March 18, 2003.. Which would explain why DMCH would re-register it December 2003. However, it has again been public domain for 10+ years. It is difficult if not impossible to enforce a trademark registration when the logo use predates the registration. Serial Number 75756108 is the DMCH registered "DMC" logo. Which, use also predates the existence of DMCH. http://tess2.uspto.gov/webaka/images/75756108.gif Serial Number 73162366 is the trademark of the logo as it appears on the front grill of the car. This trademark expired in 1985, and I see no claims of current ownership for it. http://tess2.uspto.gov/webaka/images/73162366.gif With all that said, each time this topic comes up I again think about why it even matters.. The same conclusion every time, it boils down to greed on the part of DMCH. Greed in not such an awful thing, but as with all of the other faults I have discussed over the years with the way DMCH (and other "vendors") conduct themselves, It is my opinion that they take it too far.. In defense of DMCH, one of the new "vendors" on the scene makes them look like a DeLorean charity! LOL --- "Michael C. Babb" <mcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: <SNIP> > > This same "company" also had the trademark for the > stylized "DeLorean" > text (like on the back bumpers) > http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=oo8l2j.3.3 > which is now > a trademark of DMC-Texas <SNIP> _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/