I both agree, and disagree with you on this subject here. A councourse competition is important. We can set the standards for what truly is original. This helps to educate prospective owners, and help build confidence in them to know that a standard has been set. Therefore increasing the value of our cars, thru that confidence. However, you're absolutely right that we must also take the same amount of effort, if not even more to futher educate people as to what makes a safe, reliable car that is suitable for daily driving, even if it isn't used for that purpose. But in order to do this, we mussent sacrifice anything in the concourse catergory. Instead, competition needs to be divided into 3 catergories: 1. Concourse. Must be presentable as an example of the state that a freshly assembled car *should* have appeared, according to it's build date, as soon as it left the assembly line. To hell with Dealer Options. If you've got a Luggage Rack installed, IMO, you should have points deducted, as you have modified the car. If a part as been replaced for safety reasons, (ie coolant bottle), original component must accompany the car, and must be ready to re-install WITHOUT any modifications nessisary to the car. Plus, replacement/substituted parts MUST be installed the same way. So if you've got an SS Braided Clutch line, it MUST be installed in the same location as the original. If it's run on the side of the chassis next to the A/C hoses, deduct points. If two of more cars are tied for position, fuction of Air Conditioning system should be tested. Lowest ambient duct temperature, quickest cooling effiency, etc. 2. Driver Ready. Car must retain as stock an appearance as possible, but must meet, or exceed factory intended reliability. Must have all Safety Campaigns installed, and known factory issues MUST be rectified, but MUST function as closely to factory specifications as possible! Ie. Deduct one point for a Blue Fan Fail relay. No points for facctory bypass wires. Add one point if Hervey's Maxi-Brute installed, but add two for Fan Zilla. Both perform the same task, but the Fan Zilla retains the function of the Fan Fail light. However, bonus points can be added if independant engineering is incorporated. So, I've you've got a Fan Zilla that retains the "Fan Fail" light, BUT utilized independant wiring to isolate the fans, that would be consideration for an extra point. In addition, and wiring modifications would have to look as stock as possible with both wiring conduit, and aditional fuse boxes that may be installed. After market raidios are permitted, as would be speakers. BUT, they must retain as stock an appearance as possibble. Kickpanel speakers are acceptable, as well as speakers mounted in the rear firewall, above the Parcel Shelf, deduct points for speaker boxes, and exposed amplifiers that interfear with the intended function of the parcel shelf. If an R-134a conversion has been completed, the duct temperature must either meet, or exceed factory specs for ambient duct temperatures. Upgraded alternators, turn signal conversions, etc. If judges cannot understand, or question any modifications, owner explanation of function, and appearance may be taken into consideration. In addition, any parts that have been replaced, shouldn't be cross-over. Ie. Non-Girling hydraulics, non-Lift-o-Mat struts, etc. If something is in question, owner should provide proof that the part(s) in question were indeed purchased thru an approved DeLorean vendor. Non-functional accessories should only be considered in the even of a tie-breaker, but should have points deducted regardless, if they have been improperly applied/installed. ie. misaligned Sidestripes, luggage racks, etc. Although, bonus acccessories that are installed, and help function, such as the luggage rack for transporting a spare tire, should be given extra points. And still this can go on, and on to be hammered out further. Depending, we may actually be able to reward people additional points for higher milage as well... 3. Peoples' Choice. Anything goes, and everyone gets to cast their vote for their favorite car among the participants. Depending upon participation, this can be divided ever further between both painted, and unpainted cars. No restrictions on cars, except that they must be posses the same reliability factor as cars in the "Driver Ready" catergory have, but there are no restrictions on drivetrain originality. No points deduction, just eligibility qualifications to enter. And as with all, restrictions on how many participants per competition can be limited, or divided up between milage. We really do need something definetive such as these two catergories to answer two very important questions: "What is original?", and just as important, "What is reliable?" Educate people, and you kill the stigma around our cars. You'll also perk interest, and raise values, and encourage vendor loyalty on the side too. If you want people to speak out about what direction to take our cars for these competitions, consider all of this. -Robert vin 6585 "X" --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Bob Brandys <BobB@xxxx> wrote: > Marc, > > You raise an very important question that we are also trying to reconcil > with other car clubs. > > Here is the best example, a stock Nash Metropolitan had no seat belts, > poor brakes and only stick shift. > > Clearly, a metropolitan without seat belts is a very serious safety > hazard. Should this car be given more points than a car with seat belts? <SNIP> To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! 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