Marc, You raise an very important question that we are also trying to reconcil with other car clubs. Here is the best example, a stock Nash Metropolitan had no seat belts, poor brakes and only stick shift. Clearly, a metropolitan without seat belts is a very serious safety hazard. Should this car be given more points than a car with seat belts? What about adding disc brakes. ? With all cars on the road able to stop better than a stock met isn't this a better car that should get more points? The same thing for a Delorean. Adding the Zilla products makes the car better. A better car should be worth more points. Adding the disc breaks made by someone from Norway? clearly makes the car stop better. What about better tires? The NCT were okay for their time, but this is today. IF you want a museum piece, trophy, trailer queen -that is what you have - You don't have a car which is intended to daily "safe" driving and frequent use. I think judging needs to be changed so that 70% is the "Acceptable Stock" level. More points should be awared for better brakes, better electrical, better tires, and possibly better finish-like clear coating the stainless. (We all know how much work keeping the naked stainless looking good is!) BOB To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/