After reading Dave T's comments, I thought I should add some clarification. When removing studs or nuts on the exhaust, I use mape gas in a propane style torch with a small tip because it concentrates the heat to a small area (better than my oxyaceletene torch), gets hotter than propane (enough to make the nut or stud red hot), is less likely to overheat the nut (with an inexperienced user) and for someone that does not want to shell a few hundred dollars for a oxyaceletene torch, a mape torch is cheap but effective alternative (about $30). One does have to use a tip that will take the higher temps of the mape gas; a standard propane torch may melt. There is no question that penetrating oils have their limitations, the greatest one being time. Commercial shops usually don't have time to wait for it to work. And, exhaust manifold studs are an exceptional challenge. Using a Dremmel tool to cut off a nut that has been sprayed for several days with penetrant, the penetration of the oil is apparent. By the way, the Dremmel is another useful tool for cutting off the nuts and the rusted end of the studs. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/