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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Ultimate 1/24th scale delorean
From: "delorean502" <delorean502@xxxxxxxxxx>
2. broken louvre
From: jugeauj@xxxxxxxx
3. Re: Side Rocker Panels
From: "jamesrguk" <dmc12@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
4. New Poll!
From: "dmcnorway" <delorean@xxxxxxxxx>
5. Re: louvre paint
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount@xxxxxxxx>
6. Re: broken louvre
From: "tmpintnl" <tobyp@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
7. Official word on torsion bars from a DMC (Houston) representative
From: James Espey <james@xxxxxxxxxx>
8. Re: broken louvre
From: "Donald Ekhoff" <ekhoff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
9. Re: Can someone answer my question?
From: "tmpintnl" <tobyp@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
10. Re: broken louvre
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
11. Re: broken louvre
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount@xxxxxxxx>
12. Re: Torsion Bars
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
13. Stereo fuse
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
14. Re: Stereo fuse
From: "dmc6960" <ultra@xxxxxxx>
15. RE: Re: Can someone answer my question?
From: mrvideosawyer@xxxxxxxxxxxx
16. Re: broken louvre
From: "carnut4849" <gmfm1@xxxxxxx>
17. prototype #502 twin turbo
From: "snextime" <ionicdesign@xxxxxxxxxx>
18. voice instead of buzzer?
From: "Cameron Putsch" <putsch.1@xxxxxxx>
19. Re: Torsion Bars
From: dherv10@xxxxxxx
20. Re: No wipers when it's cold?
From: "dherv10" <dherv10@xxxxxxx>
21. Torsion Bars
From: "Walter" <Whalt@xxxxxxx>
22. RE: voice instead of buzzer?
From: "Buckner, William" <William.Buckner@xxxxxxxxxx>
23. AW: DeLorean Comercials
From: klaus-peter.steiner@xxxxxxxxxxx
24. Re: Torsion Bars
From: deloreanernst@xxxxxxx
25. Re: Torsion Bars
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 21:01:09 -0000
From: "delorean502" <delorean502@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Ultimate 1/24th scale delorean
Hi,
I wanted to post part of an email that I received from the person who
created this model.
I had just gotten it back together after re-wiring it
so I took some pics with the lights on. The doors and hood are all
counter-balanced with stainless steel brush wire so they actually stay
up by themselves. They also have latches so they stay closed. The
seats slide back and forth. The suspension actually works. If I
recall, each of the gas struts is actually 5 pieces, and they actually
slide in and out with a little resistance. The pullstraps on the
doors
are actually through the door handle. 19 working light bulbs, and 4
working earbud speakers are inside.
Erik
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:24:16 -0500
From: jugeauj@xxxxxxxx
Subject: broken louvre
The "spine" of my louvre in broken.
No missing parts.
Does anyone recommend an epoxy?
Thanks in advanced.
Louis
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 22:17:20 -0000
From: "jamesrguk" <dmc12@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Side Rocker Panels
Hi all,
Don't forget that stainless steel and aluminium are bad news when
put together, after a period of time they will react and effectivly
weld themselves together.
I just remember from my sailing days that screwing a stainless bolt
into a peice of aluminium was a big no no.
<snip>
> I am slowly in the midst of replacing all that I can on the car
with
> stainless .. hence my wanting to remove these
<snip>
Regards
James RG
P.S. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 22:23:45 -0000
From: "dmcnorway" <delorean@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: New Poll!
[ Moderator's note: Good idea Stian. This is a better way to go than endless comments on a subject with no real answer.]
IF the DeLorean was to be re-produced in its original design, would
you buy a new one? The new DeLorean has a revised, updated and safe
electrical system (fan fail), the new Houston 200HP PRV-engine and
electronic fuel injection...There is however another option. You can
have the new DeLorean with thermo-plastic panels. Its a bit cheaper
than the other.
Go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/polls
Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
Norway
VIN # 06759
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:10:33 -0500
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: louvre paint
The vent behind the door is functional, sort of. I just found this out
when I had the quarter panel off... It's indirectly connected to the
interior of the car behind the rear speaker.
Also, about the louvres, mine (I thought) were badly faded, but I found
that it was more dirty than faded. The gray/ white muck came off leaving
a dark gray (what I assume is original... I just scrubbed it with
acetone for a few seconds....
1537
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 23:30:10 -0000
From: "tmpintnl" <tobyp@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: broken louvre
Louis - I would think that simply trying to glue the "spine" at the
crack would not be sufficient. I believe that several vendors offer
reinforcement straps that are scalloped to fit the louver, and fasten
to the center spine with bolts. They replace the strength lost due to
the crack. A friend of mine had a similar occurrence, except his side
rails cracked (long story). I fabricated some braces from some
inconel strap material that I had, and bolted them in. Worked great.
Toby peterson VIN 2248
Winged1
--- In dmcnews@xxxx, jugeauj@xxxx wrote:
>
> The "spine" of my louvre in broken.
> No missing parts.
> Does anyone recommend an epoxy?
>
> Thanks in advanced.
>
> Louis
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 17:43:28 -0600
From: James Espey <james@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Official word on torsion bars from a DMC (Houston) representative
There are no LH torsion bars available. RH are plentiful. The insinuation
that we will sell a part to an individual in the "southwestern region"
(where I used to live before relocating to Houston), versus the eastern part
of the US (where Dan #5493 apparently resides), is unfounded and resented.
Evidently in Cleveland, I made a mistake and mis-identified one torsion bar
versus another at the warehouse in Columbus. If this error on my part has
caused anyone grave discomfort or misfortune, I am sorry.
Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.
James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas
281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com
>
> --- In dmcnews@xxxx, "Dan RC30" <Danrc30@xxxx> wrote:
>> On 10/29, I posted this question to the list in the hopes that someone could
>> answer it for me.
>>
>> "I'm confused here. I wanted to purchase a drivers side tortion bar so I
>> could just have an extra one in case something ever happened to mine. I
>> remember seeing posts that DMC Houston has plenty available. But when I
>> called, Warren said that none are left! What's the deal here? I remember
>> James saying that there were pleanty available and that there is no shortage
>> when Dave Stragand lost his on the way to the Cleveland show. Can someone
>> please straighten this confusion out?"
>>
>> Now, I heard no response from anyone... not even a representative from
>> Houston. Am I being ignored? I'm asking a legitimate question here...
>>
>> I have heard that the tortion bars are available to only "certain people"...
>> particularly DeLorean owners in the southwestern region. Is this true? What's
>> the deal here? I know of a few people here on the east coast who have broken
>> tortion bars, but they can't get one from Houston. This does not sound fair
>> to me. Can SOMEBODY please clarify... Thank you.
>>
>> ---Dan (vin# 5493, name: puleeze... it's a car!!!) :-P
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 15:41:50 -0800
From: "Donald Ekhoff" <ekhoff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: broken louvre
The best stuff I have ever found for general repairs is "J. B. Weld" two
part epoxy sold in most auto part stores. Be sure to flush any silicone
"armorall" type contamination that might have worked it's way into the joint
prior to bonding. Clamp the joint so as to stabilize the joint for a 24
hour cure. I have also strengthened my fractured louver by carving grooves
on each side of the "spine" and laying in tooth pick sized pieces of
stainless steel wire that bridge the repaired joint and make it stronger
than the original material. The grooves can be carved with a Dremel Tool
and must be deep enough to fully accept the stainless wires. The excess JB
Weld can then be sanded off and the repair painted black. Done right this
will not break again and will be undetectable to the eye..
Don Ekhoff
----- Original Message -----
From: <jugeauj@xxxxxxxx>
To: <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:24 PM
Subject: [DML] broken louvre
>
> The "spine" of my louvre in broken.
> No missing parts.
> Does anyone recommend an epoxy?
>
> Thanks in advanced.
>
> Louis
>
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 23:46:13 -0000
From: "tmpintnl" <tobyp@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Can someone answer my question?
In regards to the torsion bars, these will be very difficult to
re-create. If I understand the technology and history correctly,
Grumman Aerospace made these in a fashion similar to the F-16 canopy
torsion springs. Because of the enormous stresses on our bars
(nearly a 90 degree twist in a part only a couple of feet long) the
bars were cryogenically tempered in liquid helium at about 7 degrees
Kelvin. That's very cold, by the way. This is much different than
the typical spring tempering at high temperatures, with a quench in
oil or air. Bottom line - I don't think that the local spring house
is going to want to attempt these. What to do? I don't know at this
point. Does anybody on the list have a different perspective on my
understanding? I would almost think that a call to Northrop-Grumman
might at least be interesting. Perhaps I can dredge up a contact.
Toby Peterson VIN 2248
Winged1
--- In dmcnews@xxxx, "Ed Garbade" <edgarbade@xxxx> wrote:
> Anyone seriously looked into what it would take to run a fibrication
> production of them? Houston...?
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 15:58:52 +0000
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: broken louvre
If you'd like to try, the TV fixers use a product called Plas-T-Pair. It was originally
developed to repair broken channel selector knobs, a very big problem in the early days.
Tough stuff, sets up very fast, it's a liquid/powder epoxy. Usually only available from
electronics parts houses. If it can be done, this stuff will do it.
jugeauj@xxxxxxxx wrote:
> The "spine" of my louvre in broken.
> No missing parts.
> Does anyone recommend an epoxy?
>
> Thanks in advanced.
>
> Louis
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:28:44 -0500
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: broken louvre
I tried a 2-part epoxy that failed. You may have better luck with a
fiberglass resin with hardener; perhaps even adding some fibre mat....
Grady also sells a stainless spine that fits over your old spine to add
strength; Hopefully with these two fixes (my) spine won't break
anymore....
1537
On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:24:16 -0500 jugeauj@xxxxxxxx writes:
>
> The "spine" of my louvre in broken.
> No missing parts.
> Does anyone recommend an epoxy?
>
> Thanks in advanced.
>
> Louis
>
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 00:10:23 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Torsion Bars
First off please accept a disclaimer that I may get some of my facts a little wrong
because it's from a conversation I had some months ago after Dan first asked me if I knew
anything about them over here.
Even though the process was developed by Grumman, they were actually manufactured over
here. I did not pursue the matter, but we DO have a contact with one of the guys who
originally made the bars, and if memory serves, the bars were "simply" twisted through 11
complete revolutions at a particular temperature (it may have been liquit nitrogen, not
helium, but I can't remember).
I also know there are several unused pairs of bars "floating around" here, though it's
not a commonly needed part, so we've never chased up on the supply. It's not like
Windscreens! (which, you may be interested to learn, I've found a source of at £250 each,
both Green and Bronze still avalable)
Best Wishes
Martin
#1458
DOC UK
www.delorean.co.uk
tmpintnl wrote:
> In regards to the torsion bars, these will be very difficult to
> re-create. If I understand the technology and history correctly,
> Grumman Aerospace made these in a fashion similar to the F-16 canopy
> torsion springs. Because of the enormous stresses on our bars
> (nearly a 90 degree twist in a part only a couple of feet long) the
> bars were cryogenically tempered in liquid helium at about 7 degrees
> Kelvin. That's very cold, by the way. This is much different than
> the typical spring tempering at high temperatures, with a quench in
> oil or air. Bottom line - I don't think that the local spring house
> is going to want to attempt these. What to do? I don't know at this
> point. Does anybody on the list have a different perspective on my
> understanding? I would almost think that a call to Northrop-Grumman
> might at least be interesting. Perhaps I can dredge up a contact.
>
> Toby Peterson VIN 2248
> Winged1
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 00:19:59 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Stereo fuse
Hi all
Since I got my car, the Stereo hasn't worked (original Craig). The fuse in the relay
comparment is fine and the clock works (which according to the wiring diagram shares a
feed, presumably the ignition switch). I'm, wondering where exactly are the In-line fuses
to the stereo (item #57 on the wiring diagram)?
The cigarette lighter works, the clock works and dims correctly (well, it works _now_
after a couple of thumps :-), I'm just stuck listening to the engine on my way to work!
Best Wishes
Martin
#1458
www.delorean.co.uk
(PS I've only driven the D into work once!)
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 03:21:29 -0000
From: "dmc6960" <ultra@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Stereo fuse
There are two inline fuses directly behind the radio. Feel behind the
center console trim panel on the passenger side and you will find
them. There is pleanty of slack to pull them out to easily change.
They are also the most common ones to blow causing the radio not to
work.
Jim Reeve
MNDMC - Minnesota DeLorean Club
DMC-6960
--- In dmcnews@xxxx, Martin Gutkowski <webmaster@xxxx> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> Since I got my car, the Stereo hasn't worked (original Craig). The
fuse in the relay
> comparment is fine and the clock works (which according to the
wiring diagram shares a
> feed, presumably the ignition switch). I'm, wondering where exactly
are the In-line fuses
> to the stereo (item #57 on the wiring diagram)?
>
> The cigarette lighter works, the clock works and dims correctly
(well, it works _now_
> after a couple of thumps :-), I'm just stuck listening to the engine
on my way to work!
>
> Best Wishes
>
> Martin
> #1458
> www.delorean.co.uk
>
> (PS I've only driven the D into work once!)
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 23:02:52 -0500
From: mrvideosawyer@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Re: Can someone answer my question?
Toby,
Could this mean that we might be able to add to the "TOBY BOLTS" the new and improved "TOBY TORSION BAR"?
Jim Sawyer
vin 4149
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 04:26:56 -0000
From: "carnut4849" <gmfm1@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: broken louvre
Hi Louis,
I had a crack appear in my louvers many years ago. I ended up
making brackets out of aluminum and screwed them together through the
center spine. I haven't had a problem since and the additional weight
has not affected the louvers from being held up by the shocks. A
second benefit is the I use the braces to hold the wires to my two 16
LED third brake lights. I have these brackets available if you are
interested. Good luck in whatever you do.
Happy Holidays,
Gary Masie
> The "spine" of my louvre in broken.
> No missing parts.
> Does anyone recommend an epoxy?
>
> Thanks in advanced.
>
> Louis
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 04:43:05 -0000
From: "snextime" <ionicdesign@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: prototype #502 twin turbo
did it sell or is the owner still hanging onto it? ebay.....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=
598456078
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 00:33:56 +0100
From: "Cameron Putsch" <putsch.1@xxxxxxx>
Subject: voice instead of buzzer?
I was checking out a poll and one of the options was a female voice saying fasten seatbelts instead of that crappy buzzer. Does anyone offer this?
Casey at putsch.1@xxxxxxx
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 00:56:09 EST
From: dherv10@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Torsion Bars
Toby, I have talked to an employee who worked at the manufacturing plant that
made them. He was one of the application engineers I told the group I talked
to a couple of week ago. I could possibility get him to track down some info,
but I would assume Houston would be working on it since it's such a critical
part of the car. I will make the calls tomorrow. Friday.
John Hervey
www.Special T Auto.com
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 06:22:14 -0000
From: "dherv10" <dherv10@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: No wipers when it's cold?
Just my 2 cents, I don't make a lot of comments on the mechanical
side of the car, But since it involes electrical I will do so. First
the motors get worn and a little sloppy and if you ever look in one
you will know what I mean. Grey gooy gunk. When this hardens in cold
weather the magnetic motor will have a hard time running due to the
rotor being off center.I have taken them apart and cleaned them out
and relubricated them with a light grease that won't freez up in the
cold, but at best it's temporary. If the motor and gears arn't to
expensive, then I would replace the unit. If worst comes to worst we
can replace the bearings. but you can't take away the wear on the
gears.
John Hervey
www.Special T auto.com
Home of where did all the cowboys Go.
--- In mcnews@xxxx, deloreanernst@xxxx wrote:
> In a message dated 12/4/01 9:04:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> weader@xxxx writes:
>
>
>
> > When I first start the car in the morning and all the systems
> > are cold, my wipers don't work. After about 10 minutes, when the
car has
> > heated up and the interior has heated up, they start working
again.
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Happened to me once recently, following a brief grinding noise, but
later I
> flipped them on without thinking and they worked fine. I posted a
query here
> but no luck. Can't tell you the cure yet, but I can after I get vin
11174
> back from Rob where I'm having some minor glitches looked into
besides my
> manifolds.
> -Wayne A. Ernst
> DMCTech Group
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 01:51:50 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Torsion Bars
[moderators note:
The bars are made to twist in one direction based on which side of the car they're designed for. That's the reason they use a different configuration for each side's retaining bracket. They were imersed in liquid nitrogen and then when they reached a specfic temperature they were given a specific number of twists in a direction dependent on which side of the car they were to be for. This lined the molocules up in a manner that allowed the exteme twisting that they do. Unique equipment was used to do this and if this equipment has been scrapped then this will become a very expensive project to replace them.]
I have never compared a RH & LH torsion bar side by side, but aren't they
pretty much identical except for the front end where they fit into the
hinges? If this is so, then couldn't a RH torsion bar be used on the left
side if a custom hinge were made to take it? This would be cheaper than
having new torsion bars custom made. Though if it worked, then it would
deplete the supply of RH torsion bars and then we would be forced to have
new ones made eventually anyway.
I have noticed that torque sticks that are used with impact wrenches are
sort of like mini-torsion bars. I suspect that torque sticks are made by a
similar process as torsion bars and have the same spring-like qualities. I
suspect that whoever can make torque sticks could also make torsion bars.
Can anyone say if this is worth checking into?
When a torsion eventually breaks with use, at what point along the bar do
they usually break? I know that scratches can create fractures, but what
I'm asking is if there are any particularly vulnerable spots? Why I ask is
because I have noticed that the bar sits very close to the rear hinge and
might possibly get scored by it. Is this a real problem or just looks that
way?
Food for thought.
Walt Tampa, FL
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 06:49:36 -0500
From: "Buckner, William" <William.Buckner@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: voice instead of buzzer?
Cadillac and one of the foreign manufactures in the early 80's (I think it
was Datsun at the time) had an interesting voice system on it. I
specifically remember the statement, "The door is a jar" from a seductive
voice (female).
Bill Buckner
Instrumentation Supervisor
Electrical and Instrument Dept.
Pfizer, Inc.
Global Manufacturing
Holland, MI Facility
% Phone: 616-392-2375 x-2449
* Fax: 616-392-8267
* Email: william.buckner@xxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: Cameron Putsch [mailto:putsch.1@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 6:34 PM
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [DML] voice instead of buzzer?
I was checking out a poll and one of the options was a female voice saying
fasten seatbelts instead of that crappy buzzer. Does anyone offer this?
Casey at putsch.1@xxxxxxx
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 13:24:24 +0100
From: klaus-peter.steiner@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: AW: DeLorean Comercials
It would be very nice to have the commercials and other stuff on
DVD, also having the DeLorean-rated books as pdf on CD, but how about the
copyrights ????
Klaus Steiner
VIN 05980
Germany
http://www.steinerklaus.de
> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:08:28 +0100
> From: "Stian Birkeland" <delorean@xxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: RE: DeLorean Commercials
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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 09:06:36 EST
From: deloreanernst@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Torsion Bars
In a message dated 12/5/01 7:52:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> I would almost think that a call to Northrop-Grumman
> >
If I recall correctly, John DeLorean personally holds the copyright on the
torsion bars. If so, anyone who wanted to make up a new supply would need
his permission. In any case, I'd like to know what the vendors intend to do
about this. (James...?)
-Wayne A. Ernst
DMCTech Group
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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 15:05:21 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Torsion Bars
NEVER try to switch side to side. As the moderater points out even
though they physically can fit either side they are NOT
interchangeable. I have not seen enough broken torsion bars to say
with certainty but I suspect there are two main reasons that the bars
break. The first is from people adjusting them without enough
experience. The second is because the bar passes so close to the rear
hinge it can scratch it. Whenever I adjust torsion bars I place a
scrap of an old inner tube (rubber) between the bar and the rear
hinge. On my car I have pieces glued in so the torsion bar cannot
touch the hinge. Especially when adjusting the bars they can move
around and touch the hinge. This is how one broke on me. Fortunatly
the door was closed at the time and it was a right side bar. Never go
near the torsion bar with anything metallic except at the end to
adjust it. A very good idea would be to cover the torsion bar with a
heat-shrink tube and put a nice warning label on it saying part under
extreme stress and not to touch it without taking proper precautions.
If the supply of torsion bars is depleted and cannot be resourced it
might be possible to go to a two strut system with stronger struts. Or
maybe something like the Bricklin?
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757
--- In dmcnews@xxxx, "Walter" <Whalt@xxxx> wrote:
>
> [moderators note:
> The bars are made to twist in one direction based on which side of
the car they're designed for. That's the reason they use a different
configuration for each side's retaining bracket. They were imersed in
liquid nitrogen and then when they reached a specfic temperature they
were given a specific number of twists in a direction dependent on
which side of the car they were to be for. This lined the molocules up
in a manner that allowed the exteme twisting that they do. Unique
equipment was used to do this and if this equipment has been scrapped
then this will become a very expensive project to replace them.]
>
>
> I have never compared a RH & LH torsion bar side by side, but aren't
they
> pretty much identical except for the front end where they fit into
the
> hinges? If this is so, then couldn't a RH torsion bar be used on
the left
> side if a custom hinge were made to take it? This would be cheaper
than
> having new torsion bars custom made. Though if it worked, then it
would
> deplete the supply of RH torsion bars and then we would be forced to
have
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