dmcnews-digest Friday, May 8 1998 Volume 03 : Number 363
In this issue:
Re: DML: Mirror question
RE: DML: Hardcastle and McCormick DeLorean, Coyote
Re: DML: Re:Dead Pedal
[none]
Re: DML: Gas Mileage, Compression Check
Re: DML: Gas Mileage on Turbo (Head bolt tightening)
RE: DML: Hardcastle and McCormick DeLorean, Coyote
Re: DML: Gas Mileage on Turbo
Re: DML: HOODS! HOODS! HOODS!
DML: Speedo Cable
Re: DML: Gas Mileage on Turbo
Re: DML: Re: PRV6 possibilities
Re: DML: Re: PRV6 possibilities
DML: Caravan from Cleveland
DML: Biloxi, MS meeting
Re: DML: Mirror question
Re: DML: Caravan from Cleveland
DML: RE: Delorean Services????????
DML: DeLorean Car Show Cincinnati
Re: DML: Re: PRV6 possibilities
DML: PRV6 possibilities
DML: Re: RE: Delorean Services????????
Re: DML: Re: PRV6 possibilities
DML: hello
DML: cross refs!!
DML: front to back?
DML: Southeastern DeLorean Club
Re: DML: Re: PRV6 possibilities
Re: DML: Re: PRV6 possibilities
DML: springs ?
DML: Rear End Lowering
DML: Birmingham Car show.
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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 17:35:50 -0700
From: steve brodsky <a0017673@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Mirror question
Brandon S. Moody wrote:
>
> > Ever since I have owned my D, most of the time the drivers side mirror
> =
> > does not move left or right. It does move just fine when it does
> work. =
> > In addition, I have no problems with the passenger side mirror. I am
> =
> > thinking I have either a dead spot in the mirror motor or a loose wire
> =
> > in the mirror unit. I removed the mirror unit last year and did not =
> > notice a way to open the unit up. Is there a way to open it up or is
> it =
> > permanently sealed? I would prefer not to buy a new unit if the
> problem =
> > is something I can fix like a solder connection.
>
> Its not "permanently" sealed, but the screw to remove the
> motor mech is located behind the glass, which is glued
> on. You can be very very careful and remove the glass.
> seems to help if it is warm.
>
> -Brandon
about 10 years ago, i replaced my drivers side mirror due to a bad
motor. Having nothing to do with the old mirror, I took it apart played
with it, then just kept the parts laying around. Several years later I
replaced the mirror motor in my son's 82 T'bird and darned if the two
motors didn't seem to be identical. Unfortunately, I don't think that I
have either one today, but I recall that they seemed to be exact copies.
steve brodsky #10688
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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:55:12 EDT
From: GunkelWWW <GunkelWWW@xxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: DML: Hardcastle and McCormick DeLorean, Coyote
Scott Tester wrote:
>I found this ad on Classified 2000. Does anyone remember this show?
>
>Auto 1981, Delorean "Coyote", 11K miles, $60,000 /OBO
>
> Options
> red exterior, grey interior, CD Player
> Classic Car, Two Door
> Manual Transmission
>
> Description
> The one and only original "Coyote" car featured
> in the TV show "Hardcastle and McCormick". This car
> was customized by the world-reknowned George
> Barris, and it's absolutely mint...virtually the same
> as the day it was last used in the filming of
> the 1980s TV show.
Matt Peak wrote:
>The car used on the show was a kit car mock-up of a McLaren with a Chevy
>350 V8. I forget the car's name, but it is not a Delorean. He must be
>confused because of the gull wing doors. I regularly see these car
>advertised in auto trader for about $5K-$10K.
>>I found this ad on Classified 2000. Does anyone remember this show?
>>
>>
>>Auto 1981, Delorean "Coyote", 11K miles, $60,000/OBO
>>
>>(SNIP)
Jeff Phillips wrote:
>I found a picture of the so-called "Coyote" DeLorean. Looks to me that
>iots your standard kit car. It is obviously a rear engine car but I can't
>tell
>if the doors are gull-wings or not. If it was a DeLorean it can no
>longer
>be considered even a close cousin.
>
>The address is :
>http://www.geocities.com/collegepark/quad/2624/coyote.jpg
>
>Jeff Phillips
Hi!
I found a book called "TV & Movie cars" a few days ago in a borders book
store...
I looked at it because I thought to find a bttf car in it...
but it was only about George Barris customized cars...
I stoped at page 40... the car created for Hardcastle and McCormick... and
smiled about
the discussion about it in the mailing list...
the car was very different from a DeLorean!
but after a closer look I noticed the same outside mirrors!? funny :-) but
after that
I noticed the same windshield, the same seats and after all -> the doors are
also like on our DeLorean (it must be
gullwing doors!?)...
I could not believe it!?
The car on Jeff Phillips page is a total different car after all... this car
in the book must have the complette
fiberglass body and interior, but with a total new exterior!
I bought that book and scanned the picture...
for more informations and the picture you can look at it on
http://members.aol.com/gunkelwww/delorean.html
Can someboby remember if the car in the television series had gullwing
doors!?
And what does the "Je Luge" and "De Judge" thing mean (see my
side/pictures)!?
Markus Gunkel
vin 2255
Gunkelwww@xxxxxxx
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 23:32:34 -0400
From: "Joe " <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re:Dead Pedal
Brandon,
The dead pedal was a factory installed item in 82 & 83's only.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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> From: Brandon S. Moody <bsmoody@xxxxxxx>
> To: DMC List <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: DML: Re:Dead Pedal
> Date: Monday, May 04, 1998 6:27 PM
>
> > Joe,
> >
> > Many vehicles that has manual transmission have "dead pedal" in
them,
or
> it
> > is
> > an option to have one installed.
>
> Was this pedal put on 82 model cars as standard equipment ? I have 2
81
> cars without it, nor is there rivnuts in place. My 82 cars does have
the
> pedal
> installed, and its an automatic. I have also noticed it in 3 other
cars.
> all
> 3 were 82 models, 2 auto, 1 manual ?????
> 108992 is the part number I believe ?
>
> -Brandon
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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 21:27:11 -0500
From: steve r <stephenr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [none]
<gguillot@xxxxxxxxx>,
Scott Mueller <scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx>, emoreau@xxxxxxxx,
chittim@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Biloxi, MS meeting
Sender: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Precedence: list
Reply-To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
I have finally gotten around to finishing the arrangements for the
DeLorean meeting. Once again the location has changed. We will be
meeting in Biloxi. I have confirmed the location, so don't worry about
anymore changes. I checked with the Applebee's and they said things
wouldn't work out very well for them. The next place I called was
Sicily's Pizza. I talked to their assistant manager and he told me that
it looks like things should be fine.
Here are the details. The place is Sicily's Pizza and the area is
Biloxi, MS. The date is May 9, 1998. Be there at noon. I feel this
will be the best time to get there.
That's the final info for now. Here is a list of the people who
have told me they will be there:
Scott Mueller-----Mobile, AL
Bill Burden-----Birmingham, AL area
Greg Guillot-----Mandiville, LA
These are the only people who have told me they will be there for
sure. There are two more owners in LA who have told me they would like
to attend but they wont know until the last minute. I hope you guys can
make it. Another disappointment is that Greg Guillot will not be able
to drive there in his DeLorean. It is still nice that we will be able
to meet another owner.
I guess the last thing I should mention is the location of the pizza
place. Here it is:
2667 Pass Rd, Biloxi, MS
The phone number is:
601-388-6077
If anyone else would like to attend please feel free to do so. If you
do decide to attend please take the time to send me an email saying that
you will be there. If anyone out there has any questions feel free to
contact me at 504-386-3816. I hope things turn out well for everyone.
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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 20:42:32 -0700
From: Jordan Gary <jordang@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Gas Mileage, Compression Check
Marc A Levy wrote:
> He explained that he puts pressure in to the cylinder, and measures the
> loss. The loss was 80% on one of the cylinders (#5 maybe?) He did
> mention that it was one of the first ones he checked, so I dont know if
> he checked any of the other cylinders.
> I do have a older style compression checker. What is the compression
> supposed to be? Maybe I will tinker this weekend.
>
What he is doing is a different way of checking your engine than you can
use. He is checking it sort of like a machine shop checks the valves on a
head. They apply pressure to each valve and check to see if it holds it.
What you can use is the usual compression gauge with a long steel hose. I
bought one recently at Auto Zone for $22. You can check it cold but a warm
engine is better. Each cylinder should have around 150-160 ft lbs of
pressure. However, it is still normal if one or more is up to 20% less. So
maybe 130-160 lbs would be OK. Anything less than 120 needs repair.
If you find a low one, then squirt a few pumps of motor oil from an oil can
into the cylinder and turn it over a few times and recheck the compression.
If the oil improves the compression, then you have worn rings, if no
improvement, then you have leaking valves. You might try the fuel and valve
cleaner which Chevron and STP are selling for maybe $7 a bottle. They claim
to clean the valves and can improve a minor valve leaking problem.
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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 22:57:18 -0500
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Gas Mileage on Turbo (Head bolt tightening)
The DMC has some kind of special tool they show that is
> used to set the angle of the bolt?! Could someone explain this to me?
> I just can't even picture what they want done, or even the purpose....
> Maybe this procedure is instead of using a torque wrench?!
Marc,
What they are most likley refering to is dwell angle. Some fastners,
particularily crucial ones like head bolts, call for an initial torque
number to tighten the bolt to. Once that torque has been reached the specs
call for a degree of rotation to be done beyond the toque has been reached.
For example the proceedure could be to tighten a fastner to 75nm and then
tighten it further by rotating it another 40 degrees. In the case of head
bolts many times your asked to do this proceedure and then loosen the
fastner and redo it all over again. This is to insure that the head is
pulled down evenly and the gasket makes a good seal. In some extreme
situatuions, early Ford Escorts for example, the head bolt tightening
proceedure acutally tightens the bolts beyond their yield point and if the
head is ever removed, the bolts must be discarded and replaced with new
bolts. Yield means flexing a bolt to a point beyond which it will return to
it's normal dimension.
Bruce Benson
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Date: Wed, 6 May 98 00:09:26 -0400
From: Bruce A Wilcoxon <bawilcox@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: DML: Hardcastle and McCormick DeLorean, Coyote
>Scott Tester wrote:
>
>>I found this ad on Classified 2000. Does anyone remember this show?
>>
>>Auto 1981, Delorean "Coyote", 11K miles, $60,000 /OBO
>>
>> Options
>> red exterior, grey interior, CD Player
>> Classic Car, Two Door
>> Manual Transmission
>>
>> Description
>> The one and only original "Coyote" car featured
>> in the TV show "Hardcastle and McCormick". This
car
>> was customized by the world-reknowned George
>> Barris, and it's absolutely mint...virtually the
same
>> as the day it was last used in the filming of
>> the 1980s TV show.
>
>Matt Peak wrote:
>
>>The car used on the show was a kit car mock-up of a McLaren with a
Chevy
>>350 V8. I forget the car's name, but it is not a Delorean. He must
be
>>confused because of the gull wing doors. I regularly see these car
>>advertised in auto trader for about $5K-$10K.
>
>>>I found this ad on Classified 2000. Does anyone remember this show?
>>>
>>>
>>>Auto 1981, Delorean "Coyote", 11K miles, $60,000/OBO
>>>
>>>(SNIP)
>
>Jeff Phillips wrote:
>
>>I found a picture of the so-called "Coyote" DeLorean. Looks to me
that
>>iots your standard kit car. It is obviously a rear engine car but I
can't
>>tell
>>if the doors are gull-wings or not. If it was a DeLorean it can no
>>longer
>>be considered even a close cousin.
>>
>>The address is :
>>http://www.geocities.com/collegepark/quad/2624/coyote.jpg
>>
>>Jeff Phillips
>
>Hi!
>
>I found a book called "TV & Movie cars" a few days ago in a borders
book
>store...
>I looked at it because I thought to find a bttf car in it...
>but it was only about George Barris customized cars...
>I stoped at page 40... the car created for Hardcastle and McCormick...
and
>smiled about
>the discussion about it in the mailing list...
>the car was very different from a DeLorean!
>but after a closer look I noticed the same outside mirrors!? funny :-)
but
>after that
>I noticed the same windshield, the same seats and after all -> the
doors are
>also like on our DeLorean (it must be
>gullwing doors!?)...
>I could not believe it!?
>The car on Jeff Phillips page is a total different car after all...
this car
>in the book must have the complette
>fiberglass body and interior, but with a total new exterior!
>
>I bought that book and scanned the picture...
>for more informations and the picture you can look at it on
>http://members.aol.com/gunkelwww/delorean.html
>
>
>Can someboby remember if the car in the television series had gullwing
>doors!?
>And what does the "Je Luge" and "De Judge" thing mean (see my
>side/pictures)!?
>
>Markus Gunkel
>vin 2255
>Gunkelwww@xxxxxxx
The original car was a kit car with the Chevy 350 and no doors, you had
to climb in through the t-top window. By the third season Brian Keith
was getting so old that he couldn't get into the car anymore so the
producers had Barris make an exact copy but with doors. He used a
Delorean donor car because its dimensions were similar to the original
"Coyote". He just took off the SS and replaced it with a fiberglass
body.The doors still have the t-top design and it looks pretty cool.
bruce
Bruce A Wilcoxon
OffBeat Sound
2785 Tigertail Ave #309
Coconut Grove, FL 33133
"I almost saw Elvis once, then my shovel broke."
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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 20:36:44 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Gas Mileage on Turbo
At 04:40 PM 5/5/98 -0400, you wrote:
.................................The engine runs pretty much the same as
when I purchased it. When I change the oil, I have never noticed anything
strange about it. Yea, its
kinda dark, but all used oil is... no?..............
Hi Marc,
I would say NO! your oil should be a dark amber and clear. Clean Oil is the
life blood of any engine. A certain amount will be burned on each firing of
each cylinder, But this should be less than a pint in 2000 miles. Black
gritty Oil means that the Filter has stopped working, the grit is carbon
that is going threw the filter by-pass valve.
I am no DeLorean Engine expert, but back in the days when I worked as an
aircraft mechanic (50's/60's) Dirty Oil and low oil were the primary reason
for engine tear downs and big time parts replacements.
I am in no position to suggest what you should or should not do with your
engine, but I can comment on what I do.
I do a full Oil change every month or every 1000 miles, which ever comes
first, this includes new filter and Crank case swab (to check for metal
particles) I use a High quality 10-40wt Oil with 20% STP. My oil is dead
clean, you can't tell the drained oil from the new oil by looking at it.
The cost of regular oil changes is the cheapest insurance you can possibly
buy. The engine is dry and clean from top to bottom, not a single trace of
dirt grime or oil. It goes with out saying that the first sign of oil
leaking from an engine means it needs attention, not just more oil.
Thanks for the information, I was really puzzled how the Blow-by was
discovered.
Lee Seiler
81DMC-12
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 00:08:14 -0400
From: "Joe " <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: HOODS! HOODS! HOODS!
O.K. Gang,
It's time for everyone to stop spinning their wheels about HOODS! Listen
Up! Here are the facts. The DeLorean Motor Co. had two Quality Assurance
Centers operating on both US coasts. The east coast QAC was in Bridgewater,
NJ, the west coast operation was in Santa Anna, CA. Their function was to
fix any problems that were overlooked at the factory in Dunmurray. They
were kept very busy, many cars required as much as 200 hours of repairs to
get them right. To make matters worse many cars were smashed (see tearful
pictures in DeLorean World Magazine #10 Winter 1986 pages 22 & 23) while
they were still on cargo ships on their way to the states. Additionally
hundreds of cars sat at the QAC docks unprotected from sun & surf, (see
Stainless Steel Illusion page 131) all those cars had to be rebuilt from
sun and salt water damage. To complicate matters the hoods were stamped in
West Germany than shipped to Sheffield England to be cut and brushed, than
shipped to the factory in Northern Ireland, and of course, replacement
hoods were shipped to the states.
Therefore your DeLorean could have any style hood. Hope this information
settles this matter.
PS. I applaud all of you who are helping to make the DeLorean automobile
one of the most exciting cars to own and drive.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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> From: Dan <DBerglund@xxxxxxxx>
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: DML: Hmmm.. Let's clear up something...
> Date: Monday, May 04, 1998 10:21 PM
>
> MODERATOR'S NOTE: Although I've pretty much killed this thread, I'm
posting
> this message because it establishes some additional data on the
relationship
> between hood styles and VIN numbers. In general I do not post messages
that
> have nothing new to contribute. Knut
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 14:48:28 +0200
From: Klaus.Steiner@xxxxxxxxxxx (Klaus.Steiner)
Subject: DML: Speedo Cable
Does anyone have a speedo-cable for direct connection from Speedo angle
drive to
the speedometer ? , i dont want to use the service counter between two
cables.
I think it would be an easier rotating for the speedo-cable without
turning the
service-counter.
Klaus Steiner
VIN 5980 -Germany-
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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 10:40:41 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Gas Mileage on Turbo
Whoops! R&R hall of fame is in Cleveland.. Guess I am going to skip that
this trip.
Marc A Levy wrote:
> Either way, I am going to try to make it to Ohio as is.. I hope to
> caravan with someone! (like anyone would want to now!!) I plan on
> leaving Thursday PM, and sleeping in western PA the first night. I'd
> like to make a quick stop in eastern Ohio Friday AM (for another one of
> my hobbies) and then go to the R&R hall of fame Friday afternoon before
> the dinner.
>
- ----------------- End Forwarded Message -----------------
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 06:50:27 -0600 (MDT)
From: raddad@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Re: PRV6 possibilities
Marc
I don't think the new Chrysler engines are even kissing cousins to the
PRV.
If they didn't make it themselves, I think we are talking Mitsubishi here.
Sounds enticing, doesn't it?
Dick Ryan
>Sorry to bring back a old thread, but...
>
>Did anyone on the Peugeot list talk about compatibility with the new
>crysler that we have heard uses the same block?
>
>Heck.. With my engine problems, maybe I will but a wrecked Crysler (the
>comercial said they get 200HP from the 2.7L, I guess this is the PRV
>grandson) and drop that in!
>
>Thanks,
>Marc
>
>
>Dave Price wrote: (on 4/20/98)
>>
>> I read a message on the online Peugeot mailing list archive over the
>> weekend
>> that said the PRV engine was originally designed to be a V8, but the
>> gas-shortage caused them to make it a V6. However some of the internal
>> stuff
>> was still calibrated for a V8, making the engine "unbalanced". I
>guess in
>> '87 Volvo updated the internals, making the engine more "balanced",
>and
>> renamed it to B280.. I'll try and find the post again, to see if
>anyone
>> can
>> clarify exactly what this change may be able to do for our engines.
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 00:47:13 -0400
From: "Joe " <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: PRV6 possibilities
Nonsense, the PRV-6 was introduced in 1978 and last used in 1990 (Volvo
GLE
series B280F) it was never intended as a V-8.
Bob/DeLorean Services
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> From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: DML: Re: PRV6 possibilities
> Date: Tuesday, May 05, 1998 6:10 PM
>
> Sorry to bring back a old thread, but...
>
> Did anyone on the Peugeot list talk about compatibility with the new
> crysler that we have heard uses the same block?
>
> Heck.. With my engine problems, maybe I will but a wrecked Crysler (the
> comercial said they get 200HP from the 2.7L, I guess this is the PRV
> grandson) and drop that in!
>
> Thanks,
> Marc
>
>
> Dave Price wrote: (on 4/20/98)
> >
> > I read a message on the online Peugeot mailing list archive over the
> > weekend
> > that said the PRV engine was originally designed to be a V8, but the
> > gas-shortage caused them to make it a V6. However some of the internal
> > stuff
> > was still calibrated for a V8, making the engine "unbalanced". I
> guess in
> > '87 Volvo updated the internals, making the engine more "balanced",
> and
> > renamed it to B280.. I'll try and find the post again, to see if
> anyone
> > can
> > clarify exactly what this change may be able to do for our engines.
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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 13:33:16 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Caravan from Cleveland
Marc Levy said:
> I am going to try to make it to Ohio as is.. I hope to caravan
> with someone! (like anyone would want to now!!) I plan on
> leaving Thursday PM, and sleeping in western PA the first night.
> I'd like to make a quick stop in eastern Ohio Friday AM (for
> another one of my hobbies) and then go to the R&R hall of fame
> Friday afternoon before the dinner.
You are welcome to caravan with the Cleveland group, Marc, as is
anyone else on the DML. We have 5-6 DeLoreans headed to Cincinnati,
although some are not riding with the caravan.
The drive from Cleveland to Cincinnati is four hours, and if we are going
to make the a dinner served at 7:00 the latest we could *possibly* depart
Cleveland is 3:00. To be safe, we plan to meet in Medina, 30 minutes
south of Cleveland, about 2:00. That will give us a margin in case of
minor breakdowns or weak bladders, and maybe even time to check into
the Hotel and be seated for dinner.
I doubt that your schedule will leave you with sufficient time to see the
Rock Hall properly. The Rock Hall should take all day, and for the price
they charge you should at least give it three hours.
If you have only one hour in Cleveland, I suggest you check out the
Crawford Auto Museum, which has the first production DeLorean (VIN
500) beside a stainless Lincoln, and a stainless 36 Ford, plus hundreds
of other cars. This is near my house, and I'd be happy to link up with
anyone who comes to the museum for a quick tour around noon and lead
you to the rendezvous in Medina.
DMLers please Email me directly to discuss this.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 15:31:15 -0500
From: steve r <stephenr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Biloxi, MS meeting
It looks like we will be having a delay in our meeting. Instead of
having it May 9, 1998 we will be having it May 23, 1998. I hope more
people will be able to make this one.
The meeting will still be held in Biloxi, and we will still be
gathering at Sicily's Pizza. If anyone in the state of Mississippi or
anywhere else would like to join us feel free to do so. Since we will
now be having a different day to meet I am requesting that all people
who plan on attending please send me a message again saying that you
will be there.
Again, I am very sorry we will not be meeting this sat. It was very
disappointing to me when I heard that Scott Mueller wasn't going to be
able to make it. I hope he will be able to make it May 23rd.
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 00:54:12 -0400
From: "Joe " <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Mirror question
Steve,
The mirrors for the DeLorean were manufactured by Harmon International
Industries, Gmbh in Germany. Hope this information is useful.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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> From: steve brodsky <a0017673@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: DML: Mirror question
> Date: Tuesday, May 05, 1998 8:35 PM
>
> Brandon S. Moody wrote:
> >
> > > Ever since I have owned my D, most of the time the drivers side
mirror
> > =
> > > does not move left or right. It does move just fine when it does
> > work. =
> > > In addition, I have no problems with the passenger side mirror. I am
> > =
> > > thinking I have either a dead spot in the mirror motor or a loose
wire
> > =
> > > in the mirror unit. I removed the mirror unit last year and did not
=
> > > notice a way to open the unit up. Is there a way to open it up or is
> > it =
> > > permanently sealed? I would prefer not to buy a new unit if the
> > problem =
> > > is something I can fix like a solder connection.
> >
> > Its not "permanently" sealed, but the screw to remove the
> > motor mech is located behind the glass, which is glued
> > on. You can be very very careful and remove the glass.
> > seems to help if it is warm.
> >
> > -Brandon
> about 10 years ago, i replaced my drivers side mirror due to a bad
> motor. Having nothing to do with the old mirror, I took it apart played
> with it, then just kept the parts laying around. Several years later I
> replaced the mirror motor in my son's 82 T'bird and darned if the two
> motors didn't seem to be identical. Unfortunately, I don't think that I
> have either one today, but I recall that they seemed to be exact copies.
>
> steve brodsky #10688
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 22:27:59 EDT
From: KKoncelik <KKoncelik@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Caravan from Cleveland
Mike I have 51 DeLoreans registered the one car has 235,000 miles on it.
Not
bad
I have around 150 people so this should work out pretty good.
I also know of four more cars, Steve wynne, James Espey, Bruce Battles
and a
couple frome Cleveland that have "the checks in the mail so that will
make 55
cars so far. Not bad All we hoped for was 35 to start. this will be a
great
turnout.
Ken
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 23:28:22 EDT
From: CDI USAMPS <CDIUSAMPS@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: RE: Delorean Services????????
Sorry must have missed the introduction. Not being rude but who are
XXX/DeLorean Services and how do you know so much? BILL
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 22:35:01 EDT
From: KKoncelik <KKoncelik@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DeLorean Car Show Cincinnati
Latest update.
We made our goal of 50 DeLoreans. Actually as of tonight we have 51
registered and I am aware of four more with registrations on the way.
Thanks soo much for your support its going to be a great event.
Last list of registrations come from California, Misouri, Florida, Texas,
Arizona, 5 from Ohio, Pennsylvania
I also was able to get a few more rooms so everyone it looks like will be
at
the Comfort Inn.
Again thanks for your support.
PS there will be one DeLorean there with 235,00 miles and yes he's
driving it
from out of town.
Thanks
Ken
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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 21:28:16 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: PRV6 possibilities
At 12:47 AM 5/6/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Nonsense, the PRV-6 was introduced in 1978 and last used in 1990 (Volvo
>GLE
>series B280F) it was never intended as a V-8.
>Bob/DeLorean Services
>
reply:
Bob,
That's what I thought, and what the guys that work on my D told me. For
the sake of discussion would there be any advantage to getting say a 89',
90' PRV-6 to install in a D? If there would be, what would it be?
Lee Seiler
81DMC-12
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Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 11:55:25 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: PRV6 possibilities
So, is the rest of the information at
http://www.vectorbd.com/users/jpl/v6.html also incorrect?
raddad@xxxxxxx wrote:
>
> Marc
>
> I don't think the new Chrysler engines are even kissing cousins to the
> PRV.
> If they didn't make it themselves, I think we are talking Mitsubishi here.
>
> Sounds enticing, doesn't it?
>
> Dick Ryan
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 12:17:52 -0400
From: "Joe " <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: RE: Delorean Services????????
DeLorean Services is an information clearing house and service facility
Atlanta GA. Members of DOA and the Southeastern Delorean Owners Club. We
also have a "Back To The Future" DeLorean used exclusively for film, TV,
and cooperate presentations. Bob is drive train, frame, body, & interior.
Joe is company history, electric's, electro-mechanical, and un-classified
items.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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> From: CDI USAMPS <CDIUSAMPS@xxxxxxx>
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: DML: RE: Delorean Services????????
> Date: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 11:28 PM
>
> Sorry must have missed the introduction. Not being rude but who are
> XXX/DeLorean Services and how do you know so much? BILL
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 11:42:29 -0400
From: "Joe " <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: PRV6 possibilities
Lee,
No, for reasons that I have not been able to determine all PRV-6 engines
are prone to early valve failure, this problem has not been evident in the
DeLorean version. Most of my research of this problem has centered around
"soft" cams and or lub problems. The only advantage of the later version
(B280F) would be and additional 15HP. This is accomplished be some larger
internal dimensions and the use of an advanced fuel injection system
(LH-JETRONIC). The fact that there is a plentiful supply of new PRV's in
Columbus I don't see any advantage of a swap. Hope this answers your
question.
Bob/DeLorean Services
- ----------
> From: lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: DML: Re: PRV6 possibilities
> Date: Thursday, May 07, 1998 12:28 AM
>
> At 12:47 AM 5/6/98 -0400, you wrote:
> >Nonsense, the PRV-6 was introduced in 1978 and last used in 1990 (Volvo
> >GLE
> >series B280F) it was never intended as a V-8.
> >Bob/DeLorean Services
> >
> reply:
>
> Bob,
>
> That's what I thought, and what the guys that work on my D told me. For
> the sake of discussion would there be any advantage to getting say a 89'
> 90' PRV-6 to install in a D? If there would be, what would it be?
>
>
> Lee Seiler
> 81DMC-12
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Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 15:45:45 +0000
From: Albert Siegel <siegel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: hello
I am new to the De Lorean list and a new De Lorean owner. I have wanted
this car from the time I was a young boy. I now have that dream De
Lorean. 1981 VIN# 2009, 45,000 miles, Auto, Gas flap, all in mint
condition (except for the dash) for $13,000. I think I did good.
Anyways, I hope to make many friends here on this list and would like to
meet other De Lorean Owners in the Mimai Florida area.
Albert Siegel
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 15:10:50 -0500
From: "Jameel Ahed" <ahed@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: cross refs!!
Dear DML,
I was just reading some of my old old posts... I can't believe I was
so
into cross referencing parts. I have had great experiences with PJ Grady
and DMC Houston. I used to think that the only way to get a good price
was
to find it at our local PEP Boys or other parts stores... That just led to
more and more aggravations with parts that almost worked.. I know our
DeLorean Specific shops are so great, they help you with problems, they
make
sure you get what you need to solve the problems and their parts are NOT
outrageously priced. They actually are cheaper than the PEP BOY cross ref
parts. Take care, and drive safely!
Jameel
Jameel Ahed CEO of CyberTECH Industries
Consultant for VOITECH Computer Solutions
HOMEPAGE: http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~ahed/
VOITECH: http://www.voitech.com
EMAIL: mailto:ahed@xxxxxxxx
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 14:35:41 -0500
From: "Jameel Ahed" <ahed@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: front to back?
Dear DML,
I have the 1.5 inch lowered front springs from PJ Grady on my car
right
now. The rear springs are taking a long time to be made up so I was
wondering about the whole front rear switch idea. I know in the past we
have talked about taking the front original springs and moving them to the
back and cutting the backs and moving them to the front. Now do these
original springs have the same spring constant? (k) Since I have the
dropped front springs, if I move my original front springs to the back do
you guys think it will look okay? How many inches do these springs drop
the
rear? Will that drastically change the camber caster of my rear wheels?
Thanx for the help...
I am really interested in finding out how many inches moving the front to
the rear will lower the rear!
Jameel
Jameel Ahed CEO of CyberTECH Industries
Consultant for VOITECH Computer Solutions
HOMEPAGE: http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~ahed/
VOITECH: http://www.voitech.com
EMAIL: mailto:ahed@xxxxxxxx
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Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 21:50:13 -0500
From: steve r <stephenr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Southeastern DeLorean Club
I hate to sound like a fool but I didn't know that there was a
Southeastern DeLorean Club. Could someone please give me some info about
the club, like how many people are currently members and who is in charge
of the club. I just thought it would be nice to find out some info about
this club since i do live in Louisiana.
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Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 22:57:10 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: PRV6 possibilities
With the number of PRV6 variants, are there any improved engine
internals that can be used on the DMC? If I am going to have to tear
down my motor to replace some rings, I would consider spending a few
extra bux to beef it up.
I am told that better rings (from the Legend auction) as well as forged
pistons are available for the DMC, and this will allow a bit more boost
on the turbo. But what about the crank shaft? Can it take it? Is the
crank/bearings from the B280F more durable, but the same size? Are
there any oversized cam's to get larger valve openings? Or even better,
a dual overhead cam that will just bolt on? (ok, that may be a long
shot, but http://www.vectorbd.com/users/jpl/v6.html has the Peugeot 605
listed as 24 valve!)
We had a engineer from Legend on the list, are you still around? How
did Legend solve these problems? How much boost did they run?
Joe wrote:
>
> Lee,
> No, for reasons that I have not been able to determine all PRV-6 engines
> are prone to early valve failure, this problem has not been evident in the
> DeLorean version. Most of my research of this problem has centered around
> "soft" cams and or lub problems. The only advantage of the later version
> (B280F) would be and additional 15HP. This is accomplished be some larger
> internal dimensions and the use of an advanced fuel injection system
> (LH-JETRONIC). The fact that there is a plentiful supply of new PRV's in
> Columbus I don't see any advantage of a swap. Hope this answers your
> question.
> Bob/DeLorean Services
>
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Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 17:36:00 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: PRV6 possibilities
At 11:42 AM 5/7/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Lee,
>No, for reasons that I have not been able to determine all PRV-6 engines
>are prone to early valve failure, this problem has not been evident in the
>DeLorean version. Most of my research of this problem has centered around
>"soft" cams and or lub problems. The only advantage of the later version
>(B280F) would be and additional 15HP. This is accomplished be some larger
>internal dimensions and the use of an advanced fuel injection system
>(LH-JETRONIC). The fact that there is a plentiful supply of new PRV's in
>Columbus I don't see any advantage of a swap. Hope this answers your
>question.
>Bob/DeLorean Services
>
reply:
Hi Bob,
It would seam to me that any D owner who really wanted peak legal
performance from the engine would want a complete new engine from Texas,
which they could then blueprint and soup up. I owned Volvos for years and
am a bit surprised that the Volvo PRV-6 is not more reliable! One of the
selling features of the Volvo in the 60's was that the engine was just
about bullet proof!
Do you know any more about the lub problem in the Volvo PRV-6?
I happen to believe that frequent oil changes and temperature control can
extend engine life by significant numbers.
Lee
Lee Seiler
81DMC-12
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Date: Fri, 08 May 98 00:07:32 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody" <bsmoody@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: springs ?
Lots of talk lately on new springs. My question is this:
Does anyone have any recomendations on a good
spring compressor ? I have a set that I have used in
the past to work on D cars, but they are really too big,
especially for the front . Have wondered for some time
if there was a smaller set out there somewhere ?
- -Brandon
bsmoody@xxxxxxx
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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 7:39:57 -0500
From: Don Gowler-CFPO01 <Don_Gowler-CFPO01@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Rear End Lowering
I see much conversation about how to lower the car without anyone
re-mentioning the method I came up with in 1983 and shared with the DML
18 or so months ago.
To lower the rear end remove the shock and have a machine shop re-cut
the groove that holds the lower portion of the spring in place at what
ever length below the original groove you want the rear end to be
lowered. No new parts required and the spring remains the same length
therefore the ride does not get 'harder'.
Remember, you are dealing with a pressurized shock so great care must be
taken in making this cut.
Sorry, I have no new suggestions for the front end - I cut the springs
and replaced the shocks with ones more suited to the shortened travel
length.
Regards, The Silver Fox #01149 and #10788
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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 11:48:56 +0100
From: "Martin Gutkowski (UK)" <msg101@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Birmingham Car show.
Hi all,
Well here's the report I said I'd write.
The show ran from Saturday through Monday. My colleague and I arrived
down at the NEC early Friday evening to put the lighting up, and were
greeted by the two D's on the "DeLorean Owners Club" stand. The first
was the right-hander 12179 owned by the Hoopers that we've had before.
The second was one I had known about by reputation only. Vin# 10264
owned by Ian Titley is a grey interior, 5 speed. The odd bit is that it
has a build date of Dec '81, yet has all the 83 "querks" - flat bonnet
with emblem, door straps on their own mounting, not on the handles,
flared exhaust pipes, etc. It does not have many of the updates either -
it still has a plastic coolant bottle for example. The car is in near
mint condition with less than 3000 miles on the clock. For the first
day, Ian had it displaying the Number plate "Mack 1" which is the plate
that was put on it for the Mark Morrison video. I haven't seen it, and
can't remember the name of the song.
I guess that's all I can say about the cars on the stand. The surprise
for me was that the "Carcoon" stand was only a couple of stands over
from ours and Stephen Wynne was over here promoting it. Of course, he
had to have a DeLorean in one of the bubbles, and the one he borrowed
from London was, shall we say, fairly gorgeous. Lowered 5-speed, '82
black interior. Registration number 74 PX (?) Anyway, Stephen spent many
an hour over on our stand, and at one point or another climbed under
both cars and got his hands dirty. "Perfect condition, you say Ian? -
there's one hell of an oil slick down here!"
Stephen also told us that the chassis of 12179 was probably one of the
first six of the production line, even thought the car is a May '82.
Sunday came and fellow list member Rob Lamrock showed up. As a result of
the "PRV-6 possibilities" thread and various "removing-the-cat"
arguments that I must feel guilty about, he had brought with him a
technical paper outlining in GREAT detail, the design of the of the
PRV-6 engine. I haven't had a chance to read it properly yet because the
scans are still sitting on my mate's computer, but as soon as I have
hold of them, and if it's all right with Rob (?), I'll convert them to
PDF format and send them to James for the web page.
Other visitors to the stand over the three days included Simon
Lees-Milne, "secretary, registrar and editor" of the DOC. He's the guy
who had headers made for his D, and I had the opportunity to speak to
him about it: The company who made them for him have done about 9
DeLoreans now. The conversion costs =A3500 (about $850), and DOES NOT
ALLOW PROVISION FOR A CATALYTIC CONVERTER. The resultant performance
with a low-baffle muffler is "200hp on the flywheel, which translates to
about 170 on the road" (NOTE THE QUOTE). Anyway, if anyone is
interested, contact Simon on the number you'll find at the DOC website
(NB his e-mail was cancelled about 6 months ago):
http://www.netlink.com.au/~icecream/delorean.html
I shall also be sending off some pictures of the show to Gary Hewitt to
post on this page. He knows they're on their way because he also
appeared, having come over from Australia for a few weeks. He is in the
process of converting his "Fatty" to right-hand drive.
Throughout the three days, the show was offering people the chance to
have a drive in their "dream car". All for charity, you could choose
from a 10 minute drive in a Jaguar XJ220 for ="" ($130), or maybe you'd
prefer an A/C Cobra for ="" Or on the monday, you could have a ride in
Alan's (sorry, I forget his surname) Jun '81 5-speed black int, vin#
1854 for the princely sum of =A320. It was a bargain too, he kept getting
lost and the drive lasted half-an-hour... Once we'd altered the poster
from "Top speed 85mph" to somthing more accurate, he got a number of
takers.
At the end of Monday, we lined up all four cars at the show for a
photocall. I'll be sending a number of shots off to Gary, but with my
lovely new Koday DC-200 digital camera, I took over 90 pictures of
nothing but DeLoreans. So if anyone can offer me some space on their
web-page (Jameel?) I'd love some more of them to be displayed.
I'll be off now, I hope this wasn't too long :-)
Martin
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