dmcnews-digest Monday, June 8 1998 Volume 03 : Number 373
In this issue:
DML: DMC Kit Web page
Re: DML: Air Conditioner Electrical Problem
Re: DML: DeLoreans in Movies
RE: DML: DMC-80 bus brochure
Re: DML: DMC-80 bus brochure
DML: Rattling Door Mystery Solved
DML: Another DeLorean in a movie
Re: DML: DMC-80 bus brochure
DML: Jumper wire
DML: RE: DML- Hornzilla?
Re: DML: "Sticky Steering"
DML: Mail-order Parts?
DML: Re: "Sticky Steering"
DML: Re: Rattling Door Mystery Solved
DML: DeLoreans in TV shows
Re: DML: DeLoreans in Movies
Re: DML: Mail-order Parts?
Re: DML: cruise-control and paint
Re: DML: hornzilla?
Re: DML: DMC Kit Web page
DML: Re: "Sticky Steering"
Re: DML: DeLoreans in TV shows
DML: Hot Wheels
DML: DMC in TV
RE: DML: "Sticky Steering"
DML: Cincinnati show
Re: DML: DMC-80 bus brochure
DML: DeLorean for sale web page
Re: DML: Hot Wheels
DML: DeLoreans in TV shows
Re: DML: Re: AC Freon Warning.
Re: DML: cruise-control and paint
RE: DML: Hot Wheels
Re: DML: DeLoreans in TV shows
DML: Re: AC Freon Warning.
DML: Trans-Ohio Convoy Monday Update
Re: DML: DeLoreans in TV shows
Re: DML: DeLoreans in TV shows
DML: Sticky Steering
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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 22:21:17 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DMC Kit Web page
To: All list members,
The web pages containing pictures and information about the Limited edition
DeLorean models was scheduled to be on line today at
"www.totalimmersion.com/DMC/Index.html" The pages are complete but there
has been a delay in uploading the Home page for this site. Please accept my
apologies for the delay, the guy helping with this project has been unable
to get it ready on time. It appears that it will be another week before the
site will be unlocked and accepting accesses.
The Delorean pages when accessible will have photos of the two DeLorean kit
versions, Gold and Stainless. You will also find the DMC-Man T-Shirt art (3
different subjects). Among other pictures in the gallery, are a DMC road
sign, Pictures of a DMC on Easter Island, a National Geographic (1981)
cover listing the DeLorean, and the boxes for the DeLorean limited edition
Frame Kit and Engine Kits. There will be regular picture updates, assembly
drawings and other DeLorean kit related information and images.
There will also be a bulletin board for the reservation holders to use. It
is intended to be an information exchange center to provide direct access
to kit assemblers. Information, kit plans and information directly
associated with the Kits and assembling the kits will also be available
through the Bulletin board. The bulletin board will allows reservation
holders to exchange and share information to assemble their kits.
again let me stress this site is a small area provided for the DeLorean
model kits owners. It is not a new DMC Internet site and will not carry
general DMC information, DMC links to other DMC sites, nor is it a "Lee's
DMC" type of personal page with pictures of my DMC or my cat sitting on it
etc.
Lee
Radiance Software International
1726 Francisco Street
Berkeley California 94703 USA
Tel: 510-649-9118 Fax: 510-848-7613
lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 08:50:21 -0600
From: James Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Air Conditioner Electrical Problem
Mike Substelny wrote:
> snip....I know the system is getting some power, because when the system
is
>
> turned on the fuse gets hot but does not blow.
>
> Does anyone have advice for me?
>
> - Mike Substelny
Mike,
You may have found the problem, the fuse should not get hot or even warm.
You may have a bad fuse or corrosion in the spade connector. Other than the
fuse, you have a low pressure switch and a cycling switch on the
receiver-dryer. Both of these should have a schrader (sp) valve under them
and can be removed without losing freon. Check the plug and voltage at the
compressor, you should have 12 to 14 volts. If you have good voltage at the
compressor, your problem is the clutch.
Jim
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Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 11:19:37 EDT
From: GullwingD@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: DeLoreans in Movies
Fiirst of all, I am glad to know that im not the only person who saw that
daffy movie., remember , he did get hit with vegetables! Also, little
soldiers will be a great movie. What channel did you see that comercial
with
the bttf theme song.
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Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 12:13:52 -0500
From: thgraham@xxxxxxxx (Travis Graham)
Subject: RE: DML: DMC-80 bus brochure
I think that you're right. I do not think that DMC made THAT bus, or that
the bus pictured was made for DMC. I do know that DMC was going to model
the DMC-80 on the FFG German bus, so I'm guessing they took a picture of one
of the German busses and slapped a DMC logo on it - of course they did a
pretty lousy job of the photo editing! Does anyone that knows more than I
do about the DMC-80 project have any information?
Travis Graham
- -----Original Message-----
From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
tomcio
Sent: Friday, June 05, 1998 7:10 PM
To: Travis Graham; dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: DML: DMC-80 bus brochure
Hi All,
I don't know where you got this brochure, but it doesn't look to be real. I
mean that this bus on a picture is just a regular FFG German bus (prototype
to be exact). It's not made by DMC and the DMC-80 logo is added to the
picture and it's not done very well. I don't believe that this bus was made
by or for DMC. Thanks.
Tom
vin 6298
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Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 14:40:26 -0400
From: "Joe " <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: DMC-80 bus brochure
Tom,
Your right, the pictures are "doctored", but authentic. The original
DeLorean Motor Company was broken down into several divisions, part of big
corporate strategy is to make everyone think that your doing better than
you actually are; its called public relations. The bus project along with a
ski slope grooming equipment company were partially market oriented, and
although the snow machine company actually built and sold some products the
bus project never really materialized. The pictures seemed to have been
rushed through, maybe to meet a deadline. Shortly after the bus project
started it was abandoned because of mounting problems with the car division
and the "cut & paste" photo's are now part of history.
Joe/DeLorean Services
- ----------
> From: tomcio <tomcio@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: Travis Graham <thgraham@xxxxxxxx>; dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: DML: DMC-80 bus brochure
> Date: Friday, June 05, 1998 8:09 PM
>
> Hi All,
> I don't know where you got this brochure, but it doesn't look to be
> real. I mean that this bus on a picture is just a regular FFG German
> bus (prototype to be exact). It's not made by DMC and the DMC-80 logo
> is added to the picture and it's not done very well. I don't believe
> that this bus was made by or for DMC. Thanks.
>
> Tom
> vin 6298
>
>
> thgraham@xxxxxxxx (Travis Graham) wrote on Friday June 5, 1998 at
> 10:14am:
> >For those of you who are interested, the DMC-80 bus brochure is now
> >complete. All pages with the exception of one (a blank page) are
> now
> >online
> >at http://edge.net/~thgraham/dmc-80.htm.
> >
> >Travis
>
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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 13:47:00 -0500
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: DML: Rattling Door Mystery Solved
This morning I decided to repair the electric door locks on my DeLorean.
The locks did not always work in unison. After reading the procedures
in several Delorean World back issues I removed the door panels.
The copper wiper in the drivers door switch was not making solid contact
when in the unlocked position. I used a needle nose plier to bend it
slightly, now both locks are fully syncronized. No further adjustments
were required.
While the door panels were off, I decided to try and find the source of
that very annoying rattle when ever you hit a bump in the road. After
checking that the screws were all tight, I noticed that there are
several hard plastic electrical plugs that are not used that just lay
loose in the door. After wiggling them around, I determined that the
noise they made was very similar to what I heard while driving down the
road. It looked like when they assembled the door, some of them had
been fastened down with "Duct" tape. Of course, after 17 years, the
tape no longer held them in place.
My method to eliminate the rattle is as follows:
Cover each connector with bubble wrap, the stuff that is used to protect
items when it is being shipped. The smaller the bubbles the better. I
wrapped every connector I could find in the door. Most of them required
a piece of bubble wrap 2" X 3". I then wrapped tape around each
connector.
Before putting the interior door panels back on, I made sure that all
lights and controls worked.
At a DOA function last year, I ask the question "How do you stop the
door from rattling". I was told that "if you ever figure it out, let us
know". I hope that person reads this message.
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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 18:19:06 -0400
From: Sean Jones <shain@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Another DeLorean in a movie
Hello,
I was watching independence day on hbo. On the scene after will smith tells
his
girls friend to come to the base with him theres a scene of people looting.
In
the beginning part, in the left hand bottom corner sits a little stainless
steel
DeLorean. It Looks like a truck because of the louve, but you can clearly
see
the front faciaca from the rest of the car. I'll unhook one of my vcr's so
i
can hook it up to my video capture card to see if i can grap it. Take care.
Sean
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Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 18:33:56 -0500
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: DMC-80 bus brochure
- ----------
> From: tomcio <tomcio@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: Travis Graham <thgraham@xxxxxxxx>; dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: DML: DMC-80 bus brochure
> Date: Friday, June 05, 1998 7:09 PM
>
> Hi All,
> I don't know where you got this brochure, but it doesn't look to be
> real. I mean that this bus on a picture is just a regular FFG German
> bus (prototype to be exact). It's not made by DMC and the DMC-80 logo
> is added to the picture and it's not done very well. I don't believe
> that this bus was made by or for DMC. Thanks.
>
> Tom
> vin 6298
I can assure you the brochure is real. I belive DeLorean was planning
something with a German bus manufacturer so you are most likely right in
that DMC just added their name to the title. I got the brochure along with
a number of other little known publucations done by DMC. One is a small
pocket size booklet intended for the transport company. It has photos and
text regarding the proper way to load and secure DeLoreans on the transport
trucks. Other items are process sheets used in setting up assembly jobs in
the factory and a blueprint of the plastic body area of the plant. The same
source had a 35mm film converted to video showing the factory and the early
production work building the car. I belive the front page of the bus
brochure is also pictured in the Stainless Steel Illusion. Beyond that, I
really don't care if you belive it or not.
Bruce Benson
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Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 16:49:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Josh Price <pricej@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Jumper wire
After my D got back from the shop, I found that they had removed the three
way jumper wire that was in place of the fan fail relay. I went to put it
back in but there is five or six different slots that the three wires
could go into. I started to try all the different combinations that I
could think of, but could somebody please look at theirs and tell me? Its
the relay in the lower left hand corner.
Thanks!
Josh Price
VIN 10242
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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 20:46:49 -0400
From: msullivan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (msullivan)
Subject: DML: RE: DML- Hornzilla?
I recently replaced the stock horns with a pair of high quality Hella's,
purchased from Griot's Garage Inc. (800-345-5789), a very noticeable
improvement.
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Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 18:57:51 -0500
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: "Sticky Steering"
- ----------
> From: Jordan Gary <jordang@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: DML: "Sticky Steering"
> Does anybody know if you can oil the rack without removing it. The
manual
> talks about removing it and putting gear oil in the left side. But I
wonder
> if
. I am thinking of
> loosening up the drivers side stearing rack boot (where you adjust the
tie
> rod
> ends) and pumping in some oil. > and I doubt that the rack is worn out.
It has no excess play in it. Jordan
> Gary vin 0987 with a sticky problem
Don't remove the rubber boots! Jack the car up and remove the drivers side
front wheel. You'll see a small cover plate, secured with two bolts, on the
top of the driver's end of the rack. Remove the bolts and carefully remove
the gasket. Using a needle nose pliers gently pull the white plstic
pre-load bushing and its spring from the rack. Pour 90 weight gear oil into
the rack, occasionaly moving the rack slowly to its extremes side to side.
When the rack seems full, reinstall the white plastic bushing and spring
and replace the gasket and cover plate. Next lube the upper and lower
u-joints in the steering column and check the bolt that clamps the column
to the shaft sticking out of the rack. I'll bet your problems is now gone.
Regards,
Bruce Benson
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Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 09:57:33 +0100
From: "Ian T. A. Foster" <ian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Mail-order Parts?
Hallo DMCers,
Can anyone advise where I can get parts supplied by mail? I'm looking
for small items like the leather gear shift cover, etc...
Thanks for your help!
Regards, IAN (Hong Kong)
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Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 06:02:06 -0400
From: "Mike Thomas" <comptrol@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: "Sticky Steering"
I have that problem right now. Thought I needed an alignment, and after
tonight I have to get one. I blew out a rear tire at about 100MPH on the
highway. No other damage luckily. Will let you know.
>Hello,
>
>I've owned my Delorean for about 4 months now and I love it. I've never =
>had any problems. the only complaint I have is that the Steering seems =
>to "sticky" ( that's only way I can discibe it) When you go to turn, =
>it's not smooth. It's a real pain going down the freeway because you =
>have to keep correcting yourself.=20
>
>Has anyone else had this problem?
>
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Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 09:15:33 -0500
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: DML: Re: Rattling Door Mystery Solved
scott mueller wrote:
>
> This morning I decided to repair the electric door locks on my DeLorean.
>
> The locks did not always work in unison. After reading the procedures
> in several Delorean World back issues I removed the door panels.
>
> The copper wiper in the drivers door switch was not making solid contact
> when in the unlocked position. I used a needle nose plier to bend it
> slightly, now both locks are fully syncronized. No further adjustments
> were required.
>
> While the door panels were off, I decided to try and find the source of
> that very annoying rattle when ever you hit a bump in the road. After
> checking that the screws were all tight, I noticed that there are
> several hard plastic electrical plugs that are not used that just lay
> loose in the door. After wiggling them around, I determined that the
> noise they made was very similar to what I heard while driving down the
> road. It looked like when they assembled the door, some of them had
> been fastened down with "Duct" tape. Of course, after 17 years, the
> tape no longer held them in place.
>
> My method to eliminate the rattle is as follows:
>
> Cover each connector with bubble wrap, the stuff that is used to protect
> items when it is being shipped. The smaller the bubbles the better. I
> wrapped every connector I could find in the door. Most of them required
> a piece of bubble wrap 2" X 3". I then wrapped tape around each
> connector.
>
> Before putting the interior door panels back on, I made sure that all
> lights and controls worked.
>
> At a DOA function last year, I ask the question "How do you stop the
> door from rattling". I was told that "if you ever figure it out, let us
> know". I hope that person reads this message.
Addendum:
This eliminated the major rattles, last night I did some rough road
travel and heard some minor rattles. I have some other ideas which I
will try. I will keep the list posted on my success.
Scott Mueller
vin #2981
1981, 5 speed, grey
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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 01:06:33 -0700
From: cliff wallace <wlsms@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DeLoreans in TV shows
There was quite an extensive appearance of a DeLorean throughout an
episode of "Matlock" starring Andy Griffith in 1994. Special guest Don
Knotts purchased this car from a used car dealership. The car was a
lemon. Like my "D" there was one problem after another. Good ole'
Hollywood still kept the sound of Doc Brown's supercharged engine from
Back to the Future for this DeLorean. This episode of Matlock aired 4
years ago so I can't quite recall some of the scenes. One scene I
remember is when the car got stolen and was ran through the wall of some
aluminum warehouse. The car managed to stay in one piece I guess. Just
like when Marty in the first Back to the Future movie, ran the DeLorean
into Old man Peabody's barn in 1955.
I'm not a Matlock fan, but does anyone else recall this episode?
Cliff #3773
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Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 11:42:15 -0500
From: steve r <stephenr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: DeLoreans in Movies
I can't remmember exactly which channel I saw the commercial on but I do
know that it was one of the major brodcasting networks, since I am not using
cable or DSS right now.
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Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 12:15:34 -0500
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: Re: DML: Mail-order Parts?
Ian T. A. Foster wrote:
>
> Hallo DMCers,
>
> Can anyone advise where I can get parts supplied by mail? I'm looking
> for small items like the leather gear shift cover, etc...
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
> Regards, IAN (Hong Kong)
IAN,
Go to DeLorean Motor Company in Houston.
There web site is
They have online ordering.
Scott
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Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:37:05 EDT
From: EJH555@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: cruise-control and paint
I was also wondering if you can remove the paint, my friend said that at his
brother's house, one of his neighbors was selling a red DeLorean with a
black
interior, then he said that it used to be gold, with a brown interior.
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Date: Sun, 07 Jun 98 14:32:30 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody" <bsmoody@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: hornzilla?
> The real problem I seem to be encountering is the lack of basic horn
> information. There are lots of horns, with various db ratings and High
> pitch, Low pitch, but I don't understand anything about horns, why is a
> high +low recommended as opposed to say two High or two low units. What if
> any is the db range permitted? are there DOT rules that deal with auto
> horns?
Car horns are not intended to provide "music for our ears". They
are a warning and attention getter. A high note combined with a
low note creates a disturbing sound that gets your attention, just
like a piano player that hits a wrong note. If you use 2 high notes
or 2 horns of similar pitch, then you will create a chord. which may
sound nice, but will not get as much attention.
- -Brandon
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Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 16:13:43 EDT
From: GullwingD@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: DMC Kit Web page
Hi, Why is it that i cant get in to the web site? Can you send me a link
to it?
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Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 14:04:42 -0700
From: Matt Peak <mpeak@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: "Sticky Steering"
In reference to this posting:
>Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:55:26 -0700
>From: "Rod" <raa25@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: DML: "Sticky Steering"
>
>Hello,
>
>I've owned my Delorean for about 4 months now and I love it. I've never =
>had any problems. the only complaint I have is that the Steering seems =
>to "sticky" ( that's only way I can discibe it) When you go to turn, =
>it's not smooth. It's a real pain going down the freeway because you =
>have to keep correcting yourself.=20
>
>Has anyone else had this problem?
Rod,
I had this same problem and didn't realize it until I had my car
into
Delorean Motor Center and Don Steiger showed me how smooth a Delorean
should steer vs. the way mine was steering. While my car was on the rack,
he moved the wheels left and right, pointing out how stiff it was. He said
that this starts to happen if the steering isn't lubricated and the
lubricant becomes old. He offered two solutions: 1) thoroughly lubricate
all of the steering joints, or if that doesn't work 2) replace the steering
rack. After lubing the joints (including all hidden joints located in the
rubber booting), Don worked my steering back and forth about twenty times.
Driving home I noticed a HUGE difference. This seems to have cured my
problem.
Call Don at Delorean Motor Center in Garden Grove. I'm sure he can give
you more details.
Matt Peak
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Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 17:37:45 EDT
From: JSung55032@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: DeLoreans in TV shows
about the car in MATLOCK....
yeah i remember that episode, the car was a lemon but it was still a sweet
delorean.
knotts got pissed at the dealership who sold him the delorean so he ran it
through a dealership when filming a commercial.
good episode
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Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 16:59:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Randall Taylor <ski2spaz@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Hot Wheels
dear dml
this is my first time writing to the dml but i just wanted to tell
you that i recently wrote a letter to hot wheels (the minature die
cast cars) telling them to produce a delorean hot wheel. i told them i
know a lot of fellow dmc fans that would buy this product. just a
little fyi. bye
dmcdude
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Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 18:11:18 PDT
From: "Paris York" <yorkparis@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DMC in TV
talking about movies with the DMC, i thought i should add that in an
episode of the Simpsons troy miclure(?) drives a DeLorean and smashes
into cars on either side of the road (poor car), then cheif wiggum pulls
him over and gets smacked by the door. thought i should add that; anyone
ever hit a person with the door(yes i know its clearance is very small)?
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Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 22:28:05 -0400
From: "Gerald Ranada" <gerald@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: DML: "Sticky Steering"
Rod,
I just had my car inspected last Saturday and they failed me due to "sticky"
or hard steering. I told them that basically the car was built originally
that way (could be wrong) and they passed me. All other accounts
(emissions, lights, etc.) passed with flying colors.
Gerald Ranada
VIN #4572
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Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 22:29:32 -0400
From: John Murray <jwmurray@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Cincinnati show
Hi DML'ers
I have just made a last minute decision to goto Cincinnati for
the show. I will be driving from Miami/Ft Lauderdale area. Anyone else
from that area willing to caravan with me? It getting really close and
Im excited, so email me directly and we can discuss plans for driving.
Thanks in advance...
John Murray
VIN# 2390
FL Lic. 81DMC12
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Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 20:12:49 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: DMC-80 bus brochure
At 06:33 PM 6/6/98 -0500, you wrote:
.......................................> I belive the front page of the bus
>brochure is also pictured in the Stainless Steel Illusion. ........
..........................
>Bruce Benson
reply:
Bruce, Yes the DMC-80 Bus brochure front page and an inner page showing the
Front of a Square bus with square head lights and square windows, and a
medium shot of the same bus from the right front corner and down the length
is on page 159 of Stainless Steel dellusion.
both photos look fine at first glance, There is a reasonable explanation of
the buss project and the pictures in the book look like 1981 type materials.
I was under the impression that most DMC owners knew about the busses and
slope groomers. Buck Penrose worked out both long and short term corporate
plans in the summer and fall of 1981, but had to abandon the project when
funds ran out that fall.
Lee
Radiance Software International
1726 Francisco Street
Berkeley California 94703 USA
Tel: 510-649-9118 Fax: 510-848-7613
lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 21:48:55 -0700
From: Eddy Cue <cue@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DeLorean for sale web page
Here is a web page with pictures and info on the DeLorean I am selling -
http://www.dnai.com/~cue/DeLorean.html
1982 DeLorean (#10251) in SF Bay area, 13,000 miles, 5-speed, grey
leather interior, kept in garage with cover, original Goodyear NCT
tires, excellent condition, $16,500, call Eddy at 408-974-3484 or
email cue@xxxxxxxx
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 00:51:02 -0500
From: Dave Cracker <kenn@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Hot Wheels
On the note of a DeLorean Hot Wheel, I looked through the "master list
book" of Hotwheels, and
they did make a DeLorean Hot Wheel. 3 of them in fact! However, you know
how Hotwheel is;
the DeLoreans they made were painted in lots of funky colors. The price
varies on the 3, but
if you can find one, I think I saw the price was $5-$6, but don't quote me
on that.
- -Dave
At 04:59 PM 6/7/98 -0700, you wrote:
>dear dml
> this is my first time writing to the dml but i just wanted to tell
>you that i recently wrote a letter to hot wheels (the minature die
>cast cars) telling them to produce a delorean hot wheel. i told them i
>know a lot of fellow dmc fans that would buy this product. just a
>little fyi. bye
>
> dmcdude
>
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 19:10:09 +1000
From: matthew <mafaith@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DeLoreans in TV shows
G'day all,
I may sound like a dumb Aussie but was the D in BTTF really super charged?
If so, which super charger was used and what was the performance like?
Also, I thought in the movie it sounded more like a V8 than anything else.
Still looks like it goes like s*** off a shovel though.
>Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 01:06:33 -0700
>From: cliff wallace <wlsms@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: DML <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: DML: DeLoreans in TV shows
>Sender: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Reply-To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>There was quite an extensive appearance of a DeLorean throughout an
>episode of "Matlock" starring Andy Griffith in 1994. Special guest Don
>Knotts purchased this car from a used car dealership. The car was a
>lemon. Like my "D" there was one problem after another. Good ole'
>Hollywood still kept the sound of Doc Brown's supercharged engine from
>Back to the Future for this DeLorean. This episode of Matlock aired 4
>years ago so I can't quite recall some of the scenes. One scene I
>remember is when the car got stolen and was ran through the wall of some
>aluminum warehouse. The car managed to stay in one piece I guess. Just
>like when Marty in the first Back to the Future movie, ran the DeLorean
>into Old man Peabody's barn in 1955.
>I'm not a Matlock fan, but does anyone else recall this episode?
>Cliff #3773
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 08:56:01 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: AC Freon Warning.
I have seen the blend's sold for as little at $20 a pound. (You have to
look close at the can to see that it is a blend, it just says R-12 on
the front)
When you go to a place like sears, unless they actually test the freon
in the cylinder, they have no way of knowing what is in it! With freon
being recycled now, there is no telling what you will get!
I can tell you my story on what led up to all of this (Stop reading
here, if you don't care!)
About a year or so ago, I had my engine replaced in my Taurus SHO. The
AC system was running great with R-12 before the work was done. The
mechanic recharged the system with R-134A, but the moron of a mechanic
did not flush the system of change the oil. The AC ran cold, but because
of this, the filter tube got clogged, and eventually blew up the
compressor. The repair was to replace the compressor, the dryer, and
the filter (About $800), and have the rest of the system flushed.
The biggest problem was getting rid of the R12/R134A blend. The
mechanic that did the motor took it back, and put it right in to his
recycler. Now the destructive blend will be put back in to his next
customer's car to destroy their system.
The point is, you need to be aware of what chemical is going in to your
AC system. Just because it runs cold does not mean that it may not be a
blend that is dangerous to your system, or even your life!
I would recommend you have the freon tested at a reputable shop.
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 09:08:35 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: cruise-control and paint
Gold? With a brown interior?
If this is true, and I think it is unlikely, The guy who painted it, and
changed the interior is a real moron.
There were 2 AMEX gold Deloreans. and I think there was a third built
from the leftover parts. It is it true, this would make a fourth gold
Delorean.
EJH555@xxxxxxx wrote:
>
> I was also wondering if you can remove the paint, my friend said that at
his
> brother's house, one of his neighbors was selling a red DeLorean with a
> black
> interior, then he said that it used to be gold, with a brown interior.
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:20:29 -0400
From: "Yocom, Shannon" <syocom@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: DML: Hot Wheels
When you say 3 of them I hope your talking about 3 different model types
(painted 3 different ways) and not 3 cars ever made. If it were the
latter they would be worth much more than $5 -$6, most in mint condition
are listed as that price. There were threads a while back of
Hotwheels/Matchbox (I forget which) made a DMC model but when the news
was out of JZD & the companies downfall they changed the model slightly
so as not to be associated w/ the "scandle" "govt. bust" etc. Is that
the model your talking about?
- -Shannon
> ----------
> From: Dave Cracker
> Reply To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, June 8, 1998 5:51 AM
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: DML: Hot Wheels
>
> On the note of a DeLorean Hot Wheel, I looked through the "master list
> book" of Hotwheels, and
> they did make a DeLorean Hot Wheel. 3 of them in fact! However, you
> know
> how Hotwheel is;
> the DeLoreans they made were painted in lots of funky colors. The
> price
> varies on the 3, but
> if you can find one, I think I saw the price was $5-$6, but don't
> quote me
> on that.
>
> -Dave
>
> At 04:59 PM 6/7/98 -0700, you wrote:
> >dear dml
> > this is my first time writing to the dml but i just wanted to tell
> >you that i recently wrote a letter to hot wheels (the minature die
> >cast cars) telling them to produce a delorean hot wheel. i told them
> i
> >know a lot of fellow dmc fans that would buy this product. just a
> >little fyi. bye
> >
> > dmcdude
> >
>
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:22:40 EDT
From: GullwingD@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: DeLoreans in TV shows
Who sayed that? Non of the DeLoreans used in the back to the future
trilogy
are Supercharged, they were all regular V6 190 HP engine D's.
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 08:35:43 -0600
From: "Aaron Barrus" <ASBARRUS@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: AC Freon Warning.
Well it *use* to be about $8 a pound . . . But last year I purchased =
r-406a (r12 substitute) at $220 for a 30 lb drum. I rechared one of my =
old beater cars for a test, and found that r-406a caused ice to form on =
the condensor coils! Not just frost, but icicles! It puts out much =
colder air than r12 did, and I'm very happy with it. Even though I had to =
buy 30 pounds.
Aaron
>>> "Dave Price" <davep@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 06/05 5:08 PM >>>
Hey! Where was this message four hours ago? I just got back from
Sears (Liffy Lube) to get the system charged! Although I looked
at the tank they were pulling the freon out of, and there wasn't any
indication from the label on it that there was anything in there but
R-12..... It was $50/lb (and even though they put in 2.2, they only
charged me $100) How much did it used to be if the prices have
dropped? (or did I pay the high price?)
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 10:57:14 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Trans-Ohio Convoy Monday Update
I have received several requests to have the Cleveland - to - Cincinnati
convoy stop to link up with other DeLoreans near Columbus. To make
the rendezvous go smoothly (allowing for stopping time and inevitable
road construction), I would like to leave Cleveland 30 minutes earlier.
Assuming all the participants agree with it, we will be leaving the Bob
Evans in Medina, Ohio at Rt. 18 and I-71 at 1:30 (half an hour *earlier*
than previously announced).
We will rendezvous with other DeLoreans near Delaware, Ohio at the
Flying J truck stop at Rt. 36 and I-71 about 3:00. This should easily get
us to the hotel by 5:30.
I am keeping a list of all the DeLoreans in both groups. If all expected
DeLoreans are accounted for earlier than the planned departure time we
will not wait! Anyone who wants to link up with us at either location can
just show up and take your chances, but if you want us to wait for you
please E-mail me or call me so I can put you on the list.
If anyone coming from Pennsylvania via I-70 wants to join us we can
probably accommodate you.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 10:33:19 -0700
From: cliff wallace <wlsms@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: DeLoreans in TV shows
GullwingD@xxxxxxx wrote:
>
> Who sayed that? Non of the DeLoreans used in the back to the future
> trilogy
> are Supercharged, they were all regular V6 190 HP engine D's.
I said that. But I said the DeLorean, in which they used six for the
Back to the Future Trilogy, had Doc Brown's supercharged engine meaning
the roar from the engine heard throughout the movie was Hollywood sound
effects.
But the "regular" V6 engine is only 130 HP not 190, unless it has been
turbo charged.
Cliff #3773
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 08:46:08 -0800
From: "tomcio" <tomcio@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: DeLoreans in TV shows
190 HP????? Is that right???? Regular for a DeLorean is about 130 HP.
GullwingD@xxxxxxx wrote on Monday June 8, 1998 at 8:02am:
> Who sayed that? Non of the DeLoreans used in the back to the
future
>trilogy
>are Supercharged, they were all regular V6 190 HP engine D's.
>
>
....
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:56:10 -0500
From: "Hershey, Mark" <MHershey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Sticky Steering
In response to Rod, who wrote...
****************************
"I've owned my Delorean for about 4 months now and I love it. I've never had
any problems. The only complaint I have is that the Steering seems too
"sticky" ( that's only way I can discibe it) When you go to turn it's not
smooth. It's a real pain going down the freeway because you have to keep
correcting yourself.
Has anyone else had this problem?"
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Rod, I just reworked the steering system on my VIN 2790 (45K miles) for
exactly the reason you described. Now it's smooth as a gravy sandwich.
Here's what I found:
1) The plastic grommet Joe at DeLorean Services ( I like that guy!)
mentioned does indeed dry out and will grab a little. The grommet is located
where the steering column passes through the steel plate at the firewall ( I
guess you'd still call it a firewall) and the easiest way to tell is to give
it a shot of WD-40 and see if it helps. Mine squeaked a little and grabbed
more than I would have thought, but it wasn't the main culprit. By the time
I got around to replacement it had dried out completely and cracked/broke,
so the steering shaft rattled around in the metal hole. If this has already
happened to you, replace it soon to avoid having the steering shaft
waller-out ( a Texas term for "enlarge") the hole. Not particularly easy
to replace (involves pulling the steering shaft). Believe it or not,
removing the steering rack was actually easier!
2) The steering rack: I went ahead and removed mine because both boots had
been open to the weather for years, most if not all of the oil was gone and
I figured it was a rust-laden goner. Surprised to find that it was fine
inside- not much oil, slight rust at the far end of the rack where it
doesn't travel into the housing, but otherwise OK. No road grit, which
probably would have eaten it alive...Cleaned it up, flushed it with new oil
(gravity, just lean it up against the fence with both boots off and one end
in a bucket) , replaced the boots, and filled with clean oil before clamping
the driver's side boot. Smooth as silk before and after, so it wasn't the
"sticking" source, which turned out to be...
3) Tie rod ends. The dust boots had long since deteriorated and the ends
were cosmetically a mess. Figuring they, too, were likely bad I decided to
replace 'em even before pulling the rack. One was fine, the other caused all
the sticking problem. On a new one you should be able to hold the outer
housing in one hand and move the ball/shaft around smoothly. It should offer
resistance, but smooth, continuous resistance. Old ones should, too. One of
mine didn't. You could move it, but you had to overcome some (much,
actually) resistance (I'd call it "sticktion") each time you moved it- the
exact symptom I felt when steering.
Here's what I recommend:
1) Put the front of the car on jack stands and remove both front tires.
2) Remove the nuts securing the tie rod ends to the wheel casting and
rent/buy a tie rod end puller. Don't use the so-called pickle fork method to
remove them (unless you plan to replace both anyway) since they will almost
always damage the tie rod end. At about $85 each, you probably don't want to
replace the ends if you don't have to! The correct puller looks like a cross
between a nut cracker and a one of those two-lever wine bottle openers... it
clamps around the wheel casting just above the dust boot and a screw handle
exerts downward pressure on the tie rod end's shaft where you just removed
the nut. Tie rod end shafts are tapered where they contact the wheel casting
hole walls so turn the screw handle just until the tie rod end is released
from the wheel casting. This taper, by the way, is what makes some otherwise
identical-looking tie rod ends differ so make sure you replace it with the
right one for a DeLorean. Rather than take the nut off completely you may
want to just back it off about 10 turns. This would help protect the threads
in case the puller wants to move around a little when you are turning the
screw.
3) Grasp the shaft you just separated from the wheel casting and see if it
moves freely. Again, you should have some resistance, but it should not be
sticky. If it is loose/floppy, replace it! To get a feel for what it should
be like go play with any new one at an auto parts store. Might have a little
trouble explaining why, but they'll get over it! :-)
If you do reuse the old ones replace the rubber dust boot to help keep water
and assorted grime out of it. Universal boots from NAPA and others will
probably work fine. Also, use new Nylock nuts-- don't want these things
falling out when you drive!
4) If you have gotten this far, might as well take a close look at the rack
boots. Easy to see with the wheels flopped to one side. Not all that hard to
remove the whole rack- four nuts on the bottom of the car screw on to
U-bolts that clamp the rack to the car's frame. A bit tricky to slide out
the driver's side wheel well because it wants to grab everything in its
path. Carefully note the positions of the rubber mounting blocks and clamp
parts as you remove the rack. Have a friend help. If you do pull the rack
you will have to disconnect the steering shaft- remove the DeLorean's access
hatches( the one above the brake fluid reservoir and the vertical one under
the gas filler- leave the one under the spare tire alone) for easy access.
Might as well remove the other end of the steering shaft flex-link to check
out its U-joints. Should be floppy but no play ore other "looseness".
5) Now that you have gone this far, might as well pull the whole steering
shaft and replace that plastic grommet. Look under the dash and remove the
two bolts holding the steering shaft to the bottom of the dash. You'll have
to disconnect the wiring harnesses to get the whole steering column out of
the car.
With all this apart, greasing the upper ball joints is easy! Do it now...
You will want to have the front end aligned after you get all this back
together. You will also have to play with getting the steering wheel
straight whan driving down the road. I used a bottle of typing correction
fluid to mark where everything was as I went along.
Got the steering boots and tie rod ends from DMC Houston. Machined a new
steering shaft grommet out of engineering grade Teflon on my Shopsmith wood
lathe (hey, I was up late one night and wanted it now!) but I'm sure you can
get one from DMC as well. Spent most of a saturday on the project but I am
rather slow at this stuff....or at least I want my wife to think so, she
mowed the lawn!
Mark Hershey
Plano (Dallas), TX.
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