dmcnews-digest Monday, June 15 1998 Volume 03 : Number 376
In this issue:
DML: Another D for sale
DML: FUEL ACCUMULATOR INSTALLATION
RE: DML: Rear Windows
Re: DML: Stainless Steel Illusion and Car Show
Re: DML: Stainless Steel Illusion and Car Show
Re: DML: Power doors?
DML: folder/catalog for sale
DML: RECOVERED DeLorean help?
DML: Re: Rear Windows
DML: Re: D for SALE
DML: Hot Wheels DMC I have one!
Re: DML: Re: DMC in what countries?
DML: Delorean security
Re: DML: To All Posters of the list [clock syncro programe]
DML: Transmission Repair
DML: Atomic Clock Program
Re: DML: Transmission Repair
Re: DML: Hot Wheels DMC I have one!
Re: DML: Delorean security
Re: DML: RECOVERED DeLorean help?
DML: Cincinnati Car Show Thank You
DML: Contest
DML: Cincinnatti Car Show
DML: Re: Cincinnati Car Show Thank You
DML: re: DeLorean Security
Re: DML: Delorean security
Re: DML: Transmission Repair
[none]
Re: DML: Transmission Repair
DML: Re: RECOVERED DeLorean help?
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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:30:15 -0700
From: "Ryan Bennett" <rpbennet@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Another D for sale
Just visited Universal Auto, a repair shop here in San Leandro, CA after
hearing that the owner had a D. He is looking to sell it, and I told him I
would post the info on the DML for him.
It is an 82, painted red (by the owner) automatic, grey interior with 14,300
miles. It is need of quite a lot of work, at least aesthetically. I don't
know how it runs, but he claims that it is perfectly operable. Asking $17k
for it.
The price is high (compared to comparables) for it's condition, but I'm sure
he would be willing to negotiate. I have to say that I like the look of the
red, and he did a professional job, but I still prefer SS. The paint is old
and showing some wear, and the driver's seat needs leather.
If anyone is interested, I can give out the address and phone number.
- -Ryan Bennett
VIN 1085
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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 23:51:41 -0500
From: "Phil Wiltfong" <phildad@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: FUEL ACCUMULATOR INSTALLATION
Finally Installed my Fuel Accumulator and it was much easier than I feared
from others' installation experiences. For any who are interested, this is
how I did it (beginner's luck):
Important note: USE the accumulator fitting nuts to make all torqueings
against the line fittings so as NOT to twist the fuel lines...and cause a
Real Bad Thing. I used normal length wrenches, and everything worked just
fine, except for getting a little dirty.
REMOVE OLD ACCUMULATOR:
1. Loosen the RIGHT ANGLE fitting first with a 17mm open end wrench, BUT
NOT at the accumulator...loosen the fuel line fitting from the right angle
fitting only, leaving the fitting in the accumulator.
2. Remove the four (4) 10mm screws mounting the accumulator to the car
(cool car, that is).
3. Then, work the accumulator off of the metal fuel line fitting.
4. Pull out the accumulator as far as it will go without straining the
hoses, return line (small hose) first.
5. Pull back clip and remove the return line hose from accumulator (watch
out for the gas).
6. Now, with accumulator hanging down free from the car, remove the last
fitting being careful not to stress the rubber line too much. This will
free the accumulator from the car.
7. On the bench, remove the right angle fitting.
INSTALL NEW ACCUMULATOR:
8. Remove old rubber gasket (or get new one) and tape onto new
accumulator.
9 Install the right angle fitting onto new accumulator, pointing the same
direction as on the old one.
10. Install rubber hose line fitting (note angle of hose twist to fit back
into car).
11. Install rubber return line onto accumulator and position retaining clip.
12. Position accumulator into car and line up and hand tighten right angle
fitting onto the metal fuel line.
13. Replace the bracket and tighten four screws back into place, being
careful to retain right angle fitting alignment with fuel line. Smile a
little since it is going so well and you're nearly done.
14. Tighten fuel line fitting onto the right angle fitting already on the
accumulator.
15. Install a tie wrap or similar to any rubber hoses that need the support.
16. Pressurize the system and check for leaks.
VOILA! NO MORE HOT START PROBLEMS! :-)
Phil Wiltfong
S/N 3394
PS: Thanks to everyone for all the good advice.
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 06:51:03 -0400
From: "Cirillo, Ronald A" <Cirillo_R@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: DML: Rear Windows
Brandon,
If later versions of the D have retaining clips to correct the
problem of marginal adhesive bond--can they be fitted to my car? If so
are they available from the supply houses? I prefer to correct the
problem once.
Ron
> ----------
> From: Brandon S. Moody[SMTP:bsmoody@xxxxxxx]
> Reply To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 1998 12:34 AM
> To: DMC List
> Subject: Re: DML: Rear Windows
>
> > I have a question concerning the rear side windows that I have
> > not read any information on. My rear windows (the ones in the
> engine
> > compartment) need to be reattached. One of them is completely out
> and
> > the other is about to join it. The only information that I have is
> from
> > my workshop manual that basically says to remove the rear quarter
> panels
> > to install them. Is there an easier way? Has anyone out there
> > performed this task? I would be interested in getting any
> information
> > that would help me re-attach these items.
>
> I have did this on a couple of occasions but both times with the
> panels
> removed.
> You probably have an 81 car. From my observatinos, it seems that the
> problem
> with the windows falling out was corrected in 82 with the intallation
> of
> retaining
> clips around the edges. Also, I have noticed that the 82 cars have a
> finish strip
> intalled like the door glass. Does anyone know if this is true with
> all
> 82-83 cars
> or just the ones I have noticed ?
>
> -Brandon
>
>
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:12:38 EDT
From: KKoncelik@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Stainless Steel Illusion and Car Show
Alread plan to do that I also will be getting a copy of the CNBC news report
so all of us can enjoy it
Ken
MODERATOR'S NOTE: What a show! Ken really outdid himself! Full reports to
follow from several sources.
Knut
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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 21:56:31 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Stainless Steel Illusion and Car Show
At 09:50 AM 6/11/98 -0500, you wrote:
>KKoncelik@xxxxxxx wrote:
>>
>> CNBC will be there doing a special on the show. also the local news
>> stations
>> will be there Saturday.
>>
>> ken
>
>
>Ken, For the benifit of us folks that do not live in the area, would it
>be possible for you to video tape the news broadcasts for us. A copy
>would be great. I would be willing to pay for the tape.
>
>See you Friday
>
>Scott Mueller
>"Red Neck DeLorean Owners of Alabama"
>
reply:
Comment and offer.
If it would be of help I have at our CGI studios professional video
duplicating equipment. I would be happy to make all the copies required for
just the cost of the tapes which we can get whole sale. This can be threw
Ken or any other way that would be suitable.
Lee
Radiance Software International
1726 Francisco Street
Berkeley California 94703 USA
Tel: 510-649-9118 Fax: 510-848-7613
lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:02:05 EDT
From: medic-1@xxxxxxxx (A Johnson)
Subject: Re: DML: Power doors?
Jeff & others,
You can order a power door opener, that includes:
on/off switch
gas strut door opener
remote transmitter (3-channel)
ALL necessary wiring & instructions
This unit operates from up to 300' away.
I have put these units on police cars for K-9's to be able to be released
from the car by remote. Since the DMC has TWO locks for each door you
may need to modify it (Don't know how the inside of the door works on the
DMC).
This unit is available thru GALL's INC who is a supplier of public safety
equipment.
It has a Sugg. List of $495.00 They sell it for only $299.99
Item # is: J-LE081
The phone # is 1-800-477-7766 or FAX 1-800-944-2557
They take Visa, MC, Discover, & AMEX
+++++++++++
Hope this helps.
On Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:08:21 -0400 Jeff Bruette <jbruette@xxxxxxxxxxx>
writes:
>My friend just purchased a DeLorean ('81, automatic). It needs some
>work...not a whole lot though. One thing that he wants to do is have
>remote power doors. Sure, this could be something as simple as "push a
>button and the doors unlock", bute he wants more. What he is wanting
>is
>to have two buttons on the remote key fob. One OPENS the drivers door
>and the other OPENS the passenger door. I'm talking "unlock and
>automatically push the door to its full open position." Is this
>possible? Has anyone done this? If so, please email me with info or
>suggestions for him. Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:18:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: "d.p. cain" <cain@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: folder/catalog for sale
I have a couple of spare 1981 Delorean folders and catalogs for sale. They
are like new. The folder is 6 pages and in color. The catalog is 24 pages
and also color. I will send a color folder for US $6 postpaid or a catalog
for US $19 postpaid if mailed in North America. I am interested in trading
for other DMC literature.
Please email me if interested so I can hold it for you.
Peter Cain
813 Talbot St.
London, Ontario N6A 2V7 CANADA
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:02:05 EDT
From: medic-1@xxxxxxxx (A Johnson)
Subject: DML: RECOVERED DeLorean help?
Fellow DMC-12 owners:
I have purchased a DeLorean that was destroyed by fire. I only paid
$150 US for the car; the body was in excellent shape, but the inside was
roasted toast! The car was sitting inside a shed at a junk yard in
Canada, with 5,25x.x miles on it. The owner of the place had thought
maybe one day he might get around to fixing it. He told me he got the
car due to an electrical fire back in 1984, and has had the car in the
shed since then.
The car is now in fully working condition (4 months later), after getting
the engine, trans. worked on, getting a whole new electrical wiring
harness for the entire car, and getting the inside totally replaced, went
with gray, not knowing what the color was. The car was and still is SS
and has/had a gas flap type hood.
There is the story of my "new" DMC-12. My first one was stolen.
At this time it is on the road and registered. VIN is:
R98-DMC12-198x-025
R98 = RECOVERED 1998
DMC12 = DeLorean DMC-12
198x = Year of car 198x (x is because true year 81, 82, 83 is not known)
025 = 25th vehicle RECOVERED in 1998
I would like to get back the true VIN; but can only do that if it can be
found stamped on the car in another location. Does any one know of
another location of the VIN # besides the dash?
Also can some one please post the VIN info of the DMC-12,
as I have seen some that look like both of these:
SCEDT26T5BD00xxx
and {NOTE: The little x's are
the numbers of the VIN)
SCEDT26T8DD02xxx
Does the T5 & T8 indicate something special? How about the BD & DD?
Thank You.
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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 01:44:28 -0400
From: "Joe " <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Rear Windows
Ron,
Sorry to say but there is not an easier way to re-attach the rear quarter
glass panels.
I have never seen a factory installed glass separate so I suspect that your
glass was not installed according to the book. The fact of the matter is
that stainless steel does not like anything to stick to it this is why the
factory procedure is necessary.
Joe/DeLorean Services
- ----------
> From: Cirillo, Ronald A <Cirillo_R@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: DML: Rear Windows
> Date: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 11:37 AM
>
> I have a question concerning the rear side windows that I have
> not read any information on. My rear windows (the ones in the engine
> compartment) need to be reattached. One of them is completely out and
> the other is about to join it. The only information that I have is from
> my workshop manual that basically says to remove the rear quarter panels
> to install them. Is there an easier way? Has anyone out there
> performed this task? I would be interested in getting any information
> that would help me re-attach these items.
>
> Ron
>
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:40:40 -0500
From: "Thomas Bohmier" <bohmier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: D for SALE
Please send a direct E-Mail to me: bohmier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I would like to discuss your car in more detail.
Thomas
Dallas, Texas
- ----------
> From: Stephen Pitre <SPitre@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: DML: D for SALE
> Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 11:23 AM
>
> 1981 D; automatic trans; 5, 041 miles; VIN=235218; original owner and =
> we=27ve had it covered in our barn for over 14 years. Original tires and
=
> they are not even dry rotted. No dents, scrapes, cuts, dings, etc. The
=
> mother of all Ds. Call (318)742-8474. D located in New Orleans, LA.
>
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:51:02 -0700
From: "Robert A. Rooney" <DMCVegas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Hot Wheels DMC I have one!
As a hobby I collect hot wheels & other die cast toy cars. Another
collector that I was trading with had a DeLorean. I asked him about it &
he swore up & down that it said DeLorean on it. I say this because the
Hot Wheels DeLorean that everyone is talking about IS NOT A DELOREAN!
In some of the collectors books it talks briefly about it, but explains
that it was just modeled after it. The car is called something else
(can't remember) it has no louvre on the back, regular doors, a long
hood that looks like it came from a Mach-1 Mustang, plus it has
headlights like a Jaguar. The car that I have IS A DELOREAN, but theres
one thing, IT"S NOT MADE BY HOT WHEELS! The one that I have was made by
Zee toys, on the bottom of the car it spells out "DE LOREAN" and of
course, "Made in China". Surprisingly enough though it is VERY ACCURATE!
Th wheels are 2 differant sizes w/the bigger ones in back, plus they
have special rims on them that look like DMC ones. The tail lights are
square w/o the ERM licence plate frame, the car it self is painted
silver, it has the louvers on the back and the cooling vent above the
tail lights. The bumpers are black plastic & the only thing that it is
missing is the "DMC" logo on the front & the "DeLorean" lettering on the
back, but it does have a hood w/a gas flap & embossed groves in it,
"sectioned" facias, moulding running down the side of the car, door
handles, and, last but not least FUNCTIONING GULL WING DOORS THAT OPEN!
Just thought that this might help to clear things up. If I get the
chance, I take some photos & scan them, but I don't have a web page yet
to put them up on.
- -Robert
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Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 13:22:39 EDT
From: ROBLAMROCK@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Re: DMC in what countries?
Dave in San Diego wrote;
>Does anyone know how many countries were DMC''s originally exported to?
USA, Canada, Saudia Arabia, Kuwait, and the U.K. when the reciever took
over.
Robert Lamrock
Belfast
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Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 03:08:28
From: "Ben Williams" <will0847@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Delorean security
In a world full of crime, it seems that it would be very dangerous to own
an exotic car such as the Delorean for everyday driving. What kind of
security measures do you owners take when you take your Delorean out into
public or even on long road trips? I can't imagine leaving such a
priceless car in a parking lot and not being worried about it.
your comments would be greatly appreciated
'Ben
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Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 03:22:03 -0600
From: "Gremlin" <gremlin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: To All Posters of the list [clock syncro programe]
- -----Original Message-----
From: tomcio <tomcio@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: Sean Jones <shain@xxxxxxxx>; dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thursday, 11 June, 1998 08:28
Subject: RE: DML: To All Posters of the list
>Hi all,
>This is a good idea. I have a little program which is a freeware that
>sets your computer clock perfectly. It connects to the atomic clock
>located in Boulder CO. SNIP SNIP
The file is upoloaded, and should be downloadable from
http://gremlin.net/Atomtime.exe. I virus-scanned it and it seems fine,
though you'll probably want to doublecheck on downloading it =)
- --Gremlin
gremlin@xxxxxxxxxxx
http://gremlin.net
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Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 11:37:51 EDT
From: Amtrak2Hel@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Transmission Repair
I'm currently searching for a DeLorean and may have found one within my
price
range. The seller's "bottom line" price is $11,750, but the car has been
sitting for some time and, from the sound of it, has a bad computer in the
automatic transmission. The car is otherwise in a generally sound condition
(I
plan on getting a different engine anyway). Anyone out there have an idea of
what it would cost to repair the tranny? Also, if anyone has had some
success
with putting in a larger engine (how big can I go, what will it set me
back),
do you have any advice?
Thanks,
Mike
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 00:23:12 -0400
From: Nathan Gess <72chargerse@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Atomic Clock Program
DML,
To everybody who is interested in the Atomic Clock program that was
discussed a few days ago, it is located at the DeLorean Web-Ring
homepage, http://www.angelfire.com/pa/NGWPN/DeLorean.html , it is
fairly small (146K) and takes about 30 secs to download. Please e-mail
me if there are any problems.
Nathan Gess
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:20:11 +0100
From: "Ian T. A. Foster" <ian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Transmission Repair
> Amtrak2Hel@xxxxxxx wrote:
> I'm currently searching for a DeLorean and may have found one within my
price range. The seller's "bottom line" price is $11,750,
........... sounds way too high a price to me. I just bought a spotless
Nov.'81 DMC for $10,500 in Los Angeles at Easter. She has 28,000miles,
manual, grey spotless interior. Only thing I needed to sort was the soft
rear suspension! While looking I saw numerous good ones at around
$14,000. If I were you I'd buy one 100% without the hassle and
uncertainty of fixing!
Cheers, IAN FOSTER (Hong Kong)
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:19:19 +0100 (BST)
From: "Martin Gutkowski (UK)" <msg101@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Hot Wheels DMC I have one!
I have one much as you describe. There's nowthing on it to say it's a D,
but it's obvious (not least from the gullwing doors). I have it sitting
on top of my monitor (sad bloke).
Plenty more where mine came from. I can e-mail a pic if anyone's interested.
Martin
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On Fri, 12 Jun 1998, Robert A. Rooney wrote:
> As a hobby I collect hot wheels & other die cast toy cars. Another
> collector that I was trading with had a DeLorean. I asked him about it &
> he swore up & down that it said DeLorean on it. I say this because the
> Hot Wheels DeLorean that everyone is talking about IS NOT A DELOREAN!
> In some of the collectors books it talks briefly about it, but explains
> that it was just modeled after it. The car is called something else
> (can't remember) it has no louvre on the back, regular doors, a long
> hood that looks like it came from a Mach-1 Mustang, plus it has
> headlights like a Jaguar. The car that I have IS A DELOREAN, but theres
> one thing, IT"S NOT MADE BY HOT WHEELS! The one that I have was made by
> Zee toys, on the bottom of the car it spells out "DE LOREAN" and of
> course, "Made in China". Surprisingly enough though it is VERY ACCURATE!
> Th wheels are 2 differant sizes w/the bigger ones in back, plus they
> have special rims on them that look like DMC ones. The tail lights are
> square w/o the ERM licence plate frame, the car it self is painted
> silver, it has the louvers on the back and the cooling vent above the
> tail lights. The bumpers are black plastic & the only thing that it is
> missing is the "DMC" logo on the front & the "DeLorean" lettering on the
> back, but it does have a hood w/a gas flap & embossed groves in it,
> "sectioned" facias, moulding running down the side of the car, door
> handles, and, last but not least FUNCTIONING GULL WING DOORS THAT OPEN!
> Just thought that this might help to clear things up. If I get the
> chance, I take some photos & scan them, but I don't have a web page yet
> to put them up on.
>
> -Robert
>
>
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:38:25 EDT
From: KKoncelik@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Delorean security
we just had a major event in cincinnati where we left our cars out for hours
and even with the best of measures things can happen but in this case there
was no problems with security antwhere. The public loves looking at these
cars and for the most part look and do not touch. It is hard for some
people
to not at least touch the stainless so worst damage is aa fingerprint.
Nothing a little windex won't fix.. I've left mine overnight at shows with
no
problem. Thats Cincinnati results may vary in other cities
Thanks for your inquirery
Ken
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:39:53 EDT
From: medic-1@xxxxxxxx (A Johnson)
Subject: Re: DML: RECOVERED DeLorean help?
After the $150 to buy the car, I had a friend flatbed the car COVERED (to
save us all some face) free! {best price of the whole restore}. ALL of
the work from start to finish:
Engine (to get ready to start! + new belts, hoses, filters, freon, etc..
5 Spd trans drain, flush, checkup, & filled, + clutch & cable
Rewire the WHOLE car with new harness, + electrical upgrades, and all new
bulbs/lights, battery & cables
New EVERYTHING inside the car + Kenwood tape/CD AM/FM radio (fit like a
tight glove)!
New tires, brakes, fluid, etc..
New weather stripping all round!
ALL new locks for the car (doors & ignition keyed alike)
Starting to get the point {From the ground up} <haha>
Total cost after all the above + a few minor other thing the bill came to
$6,439.53
Took a look under the door the is no plate, doesn't look like there ever
was one either,
the stickers on the door & jamb don't exist anymore either.
Any other clues as to where it might be?
Thanks.
AJ
/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:16:27 +0100 (BST) "Martin Gutkowski (UK)"
<msg101@xxxxxxxxxx> writes:
>HI THERE, I hate to be a bore, but if your car has a gas flap, then
>it's
>an '81. The VIN number is also embossed on the metal plate under the
>drivers door.
>
>WELL DONE! BTW, I'd hate the idea of a sad and pathetic D sitting in a
>
>scrappy.
>
>You didn't mention how much it all costed after everthing...?
>
>Best Wishes,
>
>Martin
>
>
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:47:30 EDT
From: KKoncelik@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Cincinnati Car Show Thank You
My thanks to all of you who participated and made this one of the largest
DeLorean events ever.
With appreciation
Ken
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:50:43 EDT
From: KKoncelik@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Contest
It will be a mo9nth or so for me to update the web page and I need a
picture.
to keep your interest in the page over the next few years I have decided to
run a few contests.
The first one is to offer $25.00 for the best photo. Send to 4500 Woodland
Dr. Mason, Ohio. 45040
3 x 5 prefered any photo of the museum or cars.
I will choose one and make it the web page main photo and the winner gets
$25.00.
More to come.
Ken
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:29:26 -0500
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: DML: Cincinnatti Car Show
Last weekend, my Wife and I had the pleasure of going to the DeLorean
Car Show in Cincinnatti. Ken Koncelnik did a fantastic job hosting the
show and I for one am looking forward to the Cleveland Show in 2000.
Thank you Ken and your family for all of the hard work and your
dedication to seeing that all of the functions went well.
We arrived at the Hotel Friday afternoon and the check-in was flawless.
The desk clerks had our registration packets and rooms ready to go. I
must say that Ken did a great job with the accomadations, the rooms had
plenty of space and were squeeky clean. The Comfort Suites was an
excellent choice.
The hospitality room was full of enthusiast, and a gentleman was giving
a presentation on his back to the future replica. I was impressed with
the amount of effort him and his friends and family put into building
this car. I am not a BTTF nut, but there was always a crowd around his
car at the show. I was most impressed by the Rover V-8 engine
installation. When idling, it made the car sound like it could go as
fast as it looks.
We all went to the Gregory Center for dinner Friday night. The BBQ ribs
were the best that I had ever eaten. Living in the Deep South of
Alabama, I have had the opportunity to eat some of the best BBQ in the
world, The ribs friday night were without a doubt the best I have ever
had. Lots of parts, literature and other items were given out at the
raffle Friday night. Ken had aquired a band for out entertainment. It
was a casual affair, so every one was comfortable dressed. I counted 52
cars in the parking lot that night, what an impressive sight. There was
a good cross section of cars on display, from essentially show room new
to a car from Columbus with 238,000 miles on it. I don't think I have
driven that many miles in 22 years. I spent a lot of time just hangin
out in the parking lot with my fellow owners and friends.
Saturday, we started arriving at the Museum Center around 10:00 am, the
weather was perfect. Seeing all of the cars in the center area was
spectacular, Ken reported that there were 72 DeLoreans on display. Ken
hired professional judges and they were tough. There was only one point
difference between First and Second Place in the Concours competition.
I always thought that my car was something special, the cars on display,
especially, my friends Tom and Carrol from New Jersey, made me realize
that I have alot of cleanning to do. I told my wife that it would
probably cost a couple of thousand dollars to bring mine up to snuf, she
said that she will buy me a trophy instead, its cheaper.
The product fair was nice, lots of good stuff for sale. I filled out my
wardrobe with great shirts. All of the major clubs except the DOA had
booths set up. Robin McNeil of the DeLorean Motor Club was there and
showed off there new publication. Dave Bauerle, of Baurele Automotive
in Ohio sponsored his "guess the part" contest. I admit that I did not
know what any of the parts were. We had the technical sessions hosted
by Steve Wynn and Rob Grady. Steve showed us how the remove and service
the instrument cluster and Rob showed us how to work on the center
control panel. The trip was worth it just to learn the tricks that
Steve and Rob shared with us. I always enjoy the tech seminars.
We had a break so we could go back to the hotel, which was a 5 minute
drive to clean up, then it was another fine dinner. Saturday nights
dinner was held at the museum. Another raffle was held and many great
prizes were awarded. Dave Bauerle gave the awards for his "guess the
parts" contest. We have some very knowledgable people in our group.
Linda Porter , the current president of the DOA, reminded us all of the
upcoming expo 98 in Los Angeles later this year. Expo "98 sounds like
fun and I wish that I could go.
Then the moment we all have been waiting for, the trophies. The
competition was fierce and the awards were worth fighting for. I
especially like the plaques, in fact, its too bad we couldn't get a dash
plaque like those. Perhapes next time, if people will commit to
attending earlier, plaques can be ordered. The only glich to the entire
weekend was that the Omni-Max show had to be cancelled because of
equipment failure. By consensus, the attendees refused Kens offer to
refund the ticket price and decided to donate the funds to defer the
expenses of this show and leave some seed money for the year 2000 show.
We all headed back to the Hotel for more parking lot chatter and some
well deserved sleep.
Sunday morning, we caravaned up to Columbus for Steve Wynns open house
at the parts (mecca) warehouse. Treasures galore, I was in awe, seeing
all of those parts. I decided to wait until the line died down to make
my purchases. It never did, people would buy something, then discover
another treasure and get in line again. Warren and the gang were
humping. Writing up orders, telling people where parts were, assuring
us that everything would get shipped home to us, it was amazing. Steve
provide plenty of food and drink and was an excellent host. Myself, I
would be really nervous having people rummaging around all of the
valuable parts like he let us. If Steve was worried, he never let it
show.
I did not want to leave, but my wife reminded me, that it was time to
get to the airport, so we wouldn't miss our flight home. Lots of
goodbyes to new friend, and hugs with old friends and off we went.
On a side note, the entire weekend, cost less than four hundred dollars
for all of the events, two nights lodging and meals for two people. The
airfair was additional and I won't go into how much I spent for the
goodies I aquired.
This is the kind of event that will keep the DeLorean Marque going
strong. The owners tend to be younger now, and most can not afford to
spend several thousand dollars for dinners and lodging. I had just as
much fun in Cincinnatti as I did in Snowmass for 25% of the cost. I
enjoyed both shows greatly, but I believe that you will have greater
involvment from the new generation of owners, if we can keep the costs
more resonable.
Ken Koncelnik and everyone that helped put on this show deserve a round
of applause. Thank You, Thank You so much for a great weekend. See
you in the year 2000.
Happy Motoring
Scott Mueller
Vin 2981
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:39:02 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Cincinnati Car Show Thank You
It was very gracious of Ken to thank the DML for participating in the
Cincinnati DeLorean Car Show, but by all rights *we* should be thanking
*him*!
Ken, we know you put a tremendous amount of time and work into the
Car Show. I can scarecly imagine the personal sacrifices you and your
family made to host such an incredible event on a shoestring budget.
You did a great job of smoothly managing the flurry of activities at the
museum, yet you had a smile on your face all day. I only hope the smile
meant you were having as much fun as we did!
Thank you for a fantastic event.
- - Mike Substelny
PS: Cincinnati set a very high standard for excellence and fun, but for
the year 2000 Car Show I am confident that Cleveland can meet or
exceed everyone's expectations for another great Car Show.
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:04:38 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: re: DeLorean Security
Ben Williams asked:
> What kind of security measures do you owners take when you
> take your Delorean out into public or even on long road trips?
Here are a few of my thoughts on DeLorean security.
THEFT FOR PARTS:
To the best of my knowledge, there is no black market for DeLorean
parts. If there were, I would expect someone on the DML (or my other
grapevines) to mention it by now. Other exotic cars *do* have a black
market for parts, so there are thieves who intentionally set out to steal
those cars.
THEFT DETERRENCE:
One of the most inexpensive and common modifications to a DeLorean is
a battery kill switch. This has the combined benefit of saving your
battery and making your DeLorean difficult to steal. Obviously DeLorean
owners also use car alarms, The Club, and other normal security
measures.
It's a lot of work for a thief to figure out how to open those complicated
doors just to get a Craig radio! When I first bought my car there was
damage to both rubber window seals, where a thief had tried to jimmy
the locks. They tried and tried but never succeeded.
VANDALISM:
An unpainted DeLorean is probably the most vandal-resistant car ever
made. On the stainless itself, a minor scratch can be rubbed out with a
Scotchbright pad and spray paint can be cleaned off with a mild solvent.
Unfortunately the fascias, tires, and glass are just as vulnerable as any
other car.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:09:18 -0500
From: Duke <at88mph@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Delorean security
Ben,
I have an Alpine alarm system that comes with a paging unit. If for any
reason the alarm is set off, it will page me immediately so I can race out
and get my butt kicked by the person breaking into my car. Also, I ALWAYS
park way out in the parking lot away from other cars but close to where
there
will be alot of traffic. (at nigt, I always park under a light). I am one
of
those jerks that take up two spots but I do it so far out in the parking lot
that no one will care. I've done this for the past 12 years and have never
had any break-ins or problems. I've had the pager unit for 3 years now and
its never gone off when I'm out.
Thanks,
Duke
www.geocities.com/motorcity/8952/delorean.html
Ben Williams wrote:
> What kind of security measures do you owners take when you take your
> Delorean out into public or even on long road trips? I can't imagine
> leaving such a
> priceless car in a parking lot and not being worried about it.
> your comments would be greatly appreciated
> 'Ben
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:09:10 -0500
From: Duke <at88mph@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Transmission Repair
Mike,
Save your money on a computer governor and put it towards a better trans (if
your going to swap out the engine anyway, the stock trans is not something
you
want to use!) I think the cost of repair of a stock trans is generally
around
$2000 to $2500. I looked at going with a 350 TPI system w/ a Toronado trans
and
it started at $6,000 (bargin) then went to $8,000 (well...ok) then $10,000
(gulp!) then "we'll just have to see as we go" (never mind!)
Hope this helps,
Duke
www.geocities.com/motorcity/8952/delorean.html
Amtrak2Hel@xxxxxxx wrote:
> I'm currently searching for a DeLorean and may have found one within my
> price
> range. The seller's "bottom line" price is $11,750, but the car has been
> sitting for some time and, from the sound of it, has a bad computer in the
> automatic transmission. The car is otherwise in a generally sound
condition
> (I
> plan on getting a different engine anyway). Anyone out there have an idea
of
> what it would cost to repair the tranny? Also, if anyone has had some
> success
> with putting in a larger engine (how big can I go, what will it set me
> back),
> do you have any advice?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:54:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Dipl.-Ing. ZACH Wolfgang"@world.std.com
Subject: [none]
<wzach.lehrer.htl.htl-braunau@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:23:54 +0100
Subject: Re: DML: Cincinnatti Car Show
Sender: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Precedence: list
Reply-To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Scott Mueller wrote:
> Last weekend, my Wife and I had the pleasure of going to the DeLorean
> Car Show in Cincinnatti.
[snip]
Much thanks to Scott for such a detailed report on that event I am sad
about not been able to participate -> AUSTRIA/Europe ist too far away.
I would have been glad of seeing the warehouse (mekka) too and
probably would have spent my last money there.
Hopefully there will be a pictured report on dmcnews webpage or in one
of the future zine's. Looking forward to it !
... keep on driving !
DMC_2hot4u@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
VIN#2219 located in AUSTRIA
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:50:44 -0500
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: Re: DML: Transmission Repair
Duke wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> Save your money on a computer governor and put it towards a better trans
> SNIP
> Amtrak2Hel@xxxxxxx wrote:
> SNIP
Also, if anyone has had some
> > success
> > with putting in a larger engine (how big can I go, what will it set me
> > back),
> > do you have any advice?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mike
The BTTF car in Cincinnatti had a Rover V-8 and a 1991 Porsch 911
automatic in it. I understand that the trans is computer controlled and
they have only reverse and third operating so far. I could be wrong,
you know how rumors go. The installation was very clean. They extended
the chassis 2" and built a rear cradle. They hollowed out the rear
bumper, removed the foam, so the overall length of the car is the same.
They told me that the conversion cost for the engine and trans, using
new parts, was $20K.
Scott Mueller
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:44:00 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: RECOVERED DeLorean help?
A Johnson wants to figure out the original VIN on his fire-damaged
DeLorean. Unfortunately, the plates in the windshield and door frame
are missing. In his second message he said:
> Took a look under the door the is no plate, doesn't look like there
> ever was one either, the stickers on the door & jamb don't exist
> anymore either.
This still seems like an incomplete story to me. As I understand it, the
car
was damaged by fire in both the engine compartment and the passenger
compartment. If this is the case, it should have needed a lot of fiberglass
work to repare the GRP shell, but no such work was mentioned in the list
provided.
Was fiberglass work done to this car or not?
If so, then perhaps the door data plate was removed at that time and
maybe you can get it back. If not, then there should be some evidence
that the plate was once mounted there. There should be two rivet holes
through the black GRP polymer. They would be in the horizontal section
about 1/3 of the way up the rear door sill on the driver's side.
>From your description of the hood, this was one of the early cars. When
you got it, did it have the letters DMC displayed on the front grill? That
could be an important clue.
The first car off the production line, VIN #0500 at the Crawford Museum,
does have the door plate, but it does not have the DMC on the front grill.
If this car *never* had a door plate, and did not have DMC in its grill,
then
perhaps it was a pre-production DeLorean(?).
Another clue: some cars have markings on some parts that are hidden
from view. You can find examples in the DML back issues of people
who have discovered their VIN or other VINs marked on parts inside their
doors or other places.
It's a long shot, but we know there were a lot of rapid, minor changes
made to the design of the doors (and other areas) in those early cars.
To help keep track, it is possible that someone marked the VIN on some
hidden part of the car while it was in the factory. The highest probability
might be somewhere inside the doors.
Good luck, and keep us posted!
- - Mike Substelny
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