dmcnews-digest Thursday, May 28 1998 Volume 03 : Number 369
In this issue:
DML: Latest DeCO newsletter
Re: DML: What is my car worth
DML: Dead ECU wanted for research
DML: Lowering cars?
DML: Re: Converter
Re: DML: Front strut tower brace?
DML: Re: RE: Re: Chirping from brakes while driving
DML: '82 DeLorean for sale in Northern California
DML: other dmc products
DML: Re: Exhaust manifold rebuild
Re: DML: other dmc products
DML: Clutch Line Replacement
DML: Heater Control Valve
Re: DML: other dmc products
DML: 82 DMC for sale in CA
Re: Re: DML: Bloomberg Article
Re: DML: other dmc products
DML: 81 DeLorean for sale
DML: DeLorean in a new game
DML: DeLorean in Comic today and Simpson's TOMORROW
DML: Start Inhibit Relay Circuit Failure
DML: D Body
DML: steering wheel
DML: Alarm/Door Lock Installation
DML: Re: Lowering cars?
Re: DML: other dmc products
DML: suspension
DML: Re: Heater Control Valve
DML: Re: Start Inhibit Relay Circuit Failure
DML: delorean.org
DML: Joe's participation
DML: Re: other dmc products
Re: DML: other dmc products
Re: Re: DML: Bloomberg Article
DML: Re: Alarm/Door Lock Installation
DML: DeLorean Wanted
DML: re: Heater Control Valve
DML: Biloxi, MS meeting
DML: A/C water Leak
DML: tires
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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 07:04:23 -0700
From: "Grimsrud, Knut S" <knut.s.grimsrud@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Latest DeCO newsletter
I just uploaded the latest DeCO (DeLorean Club of Oregon) newsletter to
the
DMCNews web site for your perusal. It can be found under the "Club" tab of
the DMC FAQ along with all the other back issues.
Knut Grimsrud
DeLorean Club of Oregon
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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:24:13 -0500
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: Re: DML: What is my car worth
Albert Siegel wrote:
>
> Can someone please tell me about what my Delorean is worth. The car is
> a 1981 VIN# 2009, Auto trans, Windshield antenna, Gas flap, Locking gas
> cap, Black leather, and factory radio. The car is in Mint condition
> other than the dash that is cracked. Thank you for the help.
>
> P.S. I am not selling the car. Thank you.
Not meaning to be flip, but your car is worth whatever someone will pay
for it and what you are willing to take.
I hear of cars like you describe selling for $7000 to $25000.
Check the newspapers, Hemmings and other websites.
I believe that there is a graph that one of the list members put
together showing asking price verses mileage. I think that it is in the
FAQ section that Knut put together.
Scott Mueller
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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 07:40:45 -0700
From: "Grimsrud, Knut S" <knut.s.grimsrud@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Dead ECU wanted for research
Donate your dead ECU to science! I'm looking for a dead ECU to use for
some
research on the unit's design and it's control algorithms. If you have a
dead ECU you would like to donate to the cause, please contact me. I'll be
doing some reverse engineering on it and will be sharing the results
openly.
Knut Grimsrud
DeLorean Club of Oregon
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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 10:30:06 -0500
From: Allan Nelson <abnelson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Lowering cars?
Hello, DML! I understand that these cars were design with a particular
ride height and were raised to meet US specs. What needed to be
raised...was it the bumper or the headlights (or both)? I seem to
remember someone saying it was the bumpers. The Corvette front bumpers
in 1981 sure seem lower than the D. How did they get by with it. It
would even seem that the headlights of the Vette (when up) would be
lower than the "raised" DeLorean. Could someone clarify this for me?
Thanks in advance!
Allan Nelson
(Still working on that VIN)
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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 10:32:40 -0500
From: Jordan Gary <jordang@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Converter
Brandon, Most transmissions shops regularly install rebuilt
converters. Large rebuilder shops cut them apart, replace bearings,
etc. and then weld them back together. The cost for rebuilt converters
is like $150.
Brandon S. Moody wrote:
> > stator, a "master kit" ( whatever that is ), and a new
> > computer.
>
> Don't hold me to this but I find it strange that they "Rebuilt"
> your converter. I have always thought that you replaced them
> as a unit. They are sealed I thought ? Better take it back to
> the shop for them to fix it right or refund, then call Rob Grady.
>
> -Brandon
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Date: Fri, 22 May 98 16:17:09 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody" <bsmoody@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Front strut tower brace?
> I was just curious if there was a front strut tower brace available
> for
> the DeLorean. It would of course require that you modify the luggage
> compartment spare tire cover...
I would guess that the body itself is about as much bracing you can
expect to get. Its very rigid and mounts on top of each tower.
- -Brandon
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Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 01:22:17 -0400
From: "Joe " <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: RE: Re: Chirping from brakes while driving
Gary,
Try PJ Grady or DMC Houston.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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> From: Gary Hull <ghull@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: 'dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: DML: RE: Re: Chirping from brakes while driving
> Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 2:27 AM
>
> Does anyone know of a source for brake pad anti-squeal shims?
>
> Gary Hull
> XyNexT Business Strategies
> http://xynext.com
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Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 00:48:17 -0700
From: "Todd Saylor" <todd@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: '82 DeLorean for sale in Northern California
'82 DeLorean, 5 speed, excellent condition, $18,900/bo. Ad can be seen
this
week at www.wheelanddeal.com/cars.html. For more info e-mail
todd@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 21:46:16 -0400
From: Vicki Miller <"1000mil@xxxxxxx"@gte.net>
Subject: DML: other dmc products
Fellow DML readers....
Just a bit of trivia for thoes interested..
went to a auction on may 21, 1998 and guess what I saw.....
I found 2 DMC model T-40 baggage tuggs they were sold
for $3000.00 a piece, much cheaper than our deloreans.
white in color, only one seat, 15 inch tires on the back and 14 inch
tires on the front, they did have on the fire wall a stainless steel
plate with the exact DMC logo as our cars, made by delorean manifacture
company.... they were produced in oct of 1983 and came with a one year
warranty..
If memory serves me right ...the car company was out of business...
JUST A FYI
Bob Miller
North Carolina
vin # 4214,3317,5614,11044,6221,2340and 3377
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 01:16:05 -0400
From: "Joe " <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Exhaust manifold rebuild
If you decide to refinish your manifolds there is a product from EMT
Technologies called Exhaust Manifold Treatment that will do the job, it
retails for around $20 a can.
Sorry to say I don't know where you can get it.
Bob/DeLorean Services
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> From: James Hamilton <a0003713@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: DMC News Digest <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: DML: Exhaust manifold rebuild
> Date: Saturday, May 09, 1998 6:10 PM
>
(SNIP)
> One last question. The condition of the exhaust manifolds are typical of
> a car this age (rusty). When I replace them I would like to make them
> better.
> You know so they wont rust. Is there a better manifold I could install
> or can you chrome them or something? Thanks Jim.
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 14:12:58 -0400
From: DJS912@xxxxxxxxx (Danny Smith)
Subject: Re: DML: other dmc products
What the **** is a T-40 baggage tugg ?
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Date: Mon, 25 May 98 21:11:31 -0000
From: David Swingle <dswingle@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Clutch Line Replacement
Now that I've been working on my car for over a year, I finally got
around to the clutch line replacement. The guy I bought the car from
insisted that he had already changed it, but it still looked suspiciously
like a rubber line, and I had been having difficulties getting into the
high gears once the car warmed up. One I pulled the old line off, I was
able to verify that it was indeed teflon, with a steel reinforcment and a
rubber jacket. It was date stamped 1991, so it had been replaced. The
hose was labeled "Weatherhead 1/4 H10404 Coll-Crimp" but it was installed
with double hose clamps at either end rather than crimp fittings.
This was one of the few jobs on this car that was actually easy to do and
didn't lead to complications. The only trick was routing the line between
the frame and the body, there was one spot where the solid tubing part of
the line (near the end) would not fit. A little help from a pry bar fixed
that, so in spite of what the manual says you do not have to "remove the
body from the frame". I'm not sure it made a lot of difference, but I
feel better than I did with just a couple of hose clamps holding the line
together.
Dave Swingle
81 VIN 5429
DOA, DMC, DMC(Midwest)
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Date: Mon, 25 May 98 21:11:35 -0000
From: David Swingle <dswingle@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Heater Control Valve
A minor item that has been annoying me is the fact the there seems to be
some residual heat generated near my right foot, no matter what position
the temperature control is set to. By design, the water flow to the
heater core is only shut off by the heater control valve when the A/C
control is in MAX position. This means that in any other case there is
hot water flowing thru the heater core. Looking behind the heater from
the area near the pedals, you can see the two tubes into the heater core,
which is probably where I am getting the heat from.
Are the heater core tubes supposed to be visible, or are they normally
wrapped with insulation that some previous mechanic has left off on mine?
As an experiment I tie-wrapped the heater control valve closed, and
voila!- no more hot foot. No more heater either. Since I don't drive the
car in the winter or bad weather this is not normally a problem, but I'm
not sure its a great idea to permanently stop circulation of the coolant
through the heater core. I was wondering if anyone had come up with
anything more elegant - perhaps a control valve to intentionally open or
close the heater control valve on demand? (Joe?)
Dave Swingle
81 VIN 5429
DOA, DMC, DMC(Midwest)
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 21:02:31 -0600 (MDT)
From: raddad@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: other dmc products
>What the **** is a T-40 baggage tugg ?
- ----------------------------
I had the same question but I'm guessing that it is one of those things
you
see whizzing around the airports pulling carts full of baggage.
Out here (Colorado) we see "groomers" running around with dmc logo's on
them. Oh, yeah, goomers are those things they use at night to push the
snow around on the ski slopes to get ready for the next days invasion of
skiers.
I wouldn't be surprised if the baggage tuggs were made by the same company
as the groomers.
Dick Ryan
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 22:12:28 -0700
From: Eddy Cue <cue@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: 82 DMC for sale in CA
1982 DeLorean (#10251) in SF Bay area, 13,000 miles, 5-speed, grey
leather interior, kept in garage with cover, original Goodyear NCT
tires, excellent condition, $16,500, call Eddy at 408-974-3484 or
email cue@xxxxxxxx
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 23:59:17 -0700
From: Matt Peak <mpeak@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: DML: Bloomberg Article
>Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:26:55 -0400 (EDT)
>From: J <sundiver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: Re: DML: Bloomberg Article
>
>> >The Delorean Marquee couldn't have asked for a better article than the
>> >Bloomberg Magazine article. The author loves his Delorean! I was
>> >wondering if anybody could validate his comments that the point of putting
>> >smaller diameter wheels in front is "to minimize oversteer and offer
>> >better
>> >overall handling." Can somebody please explain the physics behind this?
>> >Wouldn't larger diameter wheels in the front place more surface area on
>> >the
>> >road and thus help the car steer and corner better?
>> >
>> >Matt Peak
>> >
>
>I think what the article really meant by "smaller diameter wheels in
>front" is larger wheels in the rear. The larger tires in the rear help to
>make up for the extra weight in the rear (the engine) and keep the back
>end from sliding out.
>
>- - J
Although this is true, I think the author was referring to the 14 inch
wheels in the front and the 15 inch wheels in the rear. I have always
wondered why the Delorean came this way, especially because it appears the
prototypes had 15 inch wheels all the way around or possibly 16 inch
wheels
in the rear (I stress "appears"). Placing 15 inch wheels in the front
whould have helped to improve the looks after the
headlight-height-required
front springs were installed by making the gap between the wheel and the
wheel well appear smaller. Handling would have also been improved since a
lower profile tire could have been used. The only reason I can think of
why the change was made from 15 inch to 14 inch rims is because the larger
rims may have been scrapping against the sway bar. I have also always
wondered why the Delorean didn't come with a rear sway bar which is almost
a necessity in a rear engined car with a high center of gravity.
The choices for suspension configurations on the Delorean are interesting
and I wish I knew more about this aspect of the car's history.
Matt Peak
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 00:31:37 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: other dmc products
At 02:12 PM 5/25/98 -0400, you wrote:
>What the **** is a T-40 baggage tugg ?
>
reply:
If you have ever been to an airport you may have seen a small open cart
like machine pulling a string of wagons with you luggage piled in the
wagons. There are all kinds of designs and makers. The come in very small
sizes open and they come in large sizes that pull the big Air freight
containers.
Some are electric, some are propane powered and some are gasoline, etc and
so on.
Lee
Radiance Software International
1726 Francisco Street
Berkeley California 94703 USA
Tel: 510-649-9118 Fax: 510-848-7613
lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 11:09:31 -0500
From: Michael Babb <mbabb@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: 81 DeLorean for sale
Due to my moving accross the country, I have come to the realization that
I have to sell my DeLorean.
The car is an August 81 (vin 3472) with grey interior and a 5 speed
transmission.
The car is in excellent condition: it has been serviced since new bu
DMC-Houston and Stephen has agreed to field any questions related to
this DeLoreans past service history. It spent some time in New york and
was then serviced by Rob Grady at PJ Gradys. Over the last two years
(at both DMC-Houston and PJ Gradys) the car has had over $30,000
worth of work done to it (even down to replacing the scuffed steering
wheel) Any other inquiries or requests for pictures can be sent to:
Michael Babb
mikebabb@xxxxxxxxxxx
or by phone 919.362.4622
Asking price on the car is $26,000 and well worth it.
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 11:52:59 -0500
From: Kevin Wolter <kwolter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DeLorean in a new game
I just spotted our favorite car in an upcoming game called Interstate 82 =
(sequel to Interstate 76). Go to http://www.activision.com and select =
Interstate 82 from the drop list to see our car packing quite a bit of =
heat.
The best I can find for a release date is "Action gaming will enter a =
new arena this winter..." Has anybody heard when this game will be =
released? Hopefully the DeLorean will be in the released version.
The screen shots don't look too bad but I wonder if they have a real =
model of a DeLorean to work from or if they are using pictures from =
magazines. Is there anybody on the DML list in the Santa Monica, CA =
area that could go over and let them get some really good pictures and =
measurements of a DeLorean to work from?
- - Kevin #6810
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 15:18:28 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DeLorean in Comic today and Simpson's TOMORROW
The Non Sequitur comic that mentions the DeLorean is now online at:
http://www.ctoons.com/_javascript_/nonseq/ns/19980517.html
In most markets the Simpson's episode that features the DeLorean
should be shown as a re-run tomorrow. If you station shows two
episodes per day then one of tomorrow's is supposed to be "A Fish
Called Selma". Since every station is free to show the episodes in
whatever timeslot they want I can't help you determine when or which
one to watch. This schedule might be able to help:
http://www.foxworld.com/simpsons/syndicat.htm
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:59:06 -0400
From: Aldo.Buono@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Start Inhibit Relay Circuit Failure
Hi DMLers,
Here is a problem that I have not seen addressed yet.
THe electical circuit that feeds that start inhibit relay via the
heater fan circuit breaker has suddenly failed; that is, there is no
current running through it.
Consequently, when you turn the key to the ignition position,
nothing
happens at the starter.
This has happened to me once before about five years ago, and a
service center fixed the circuit, but they do not remember what they
did to fix it!
Does anyone know how this circuit goes dead?????
I have jury rigged the circuit to get current from the main relay,
and
the D works fine!!!!
Ideas???????
Aldo Buono, President
De Lorean Midatlantic
VIN 1440
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Date: Tue, 26 May 98 23:06:43 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody" <bsmoody@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: D Body
A Friend has a Delorean Underbody for sale
at $500.00. Not a bad deal if you need one ?
Just send private email to me at bsmoody@xxxxxxx
for more details.
- -Brandon
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Date: Tue, 26 May 98 23:09:24 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody" <bsmoody@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: steering wheel
Anyone have any suggestions for a replacement
steering wheel that looks good and doesn't have
that "aftermarket" look ?
- -Brandon
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 23:06:13 -0500
From: "C. Longwisch" <CL1954@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Alarm/Door Lock Installation
Has anyone installed a remote door lock/unlock system? I am in the process
of an installation and need to know what type of switching we have i.e. 3
wire, 5 wire, positive or negative pulse?
I have all the wiring diagrams and a couple of electrical engineers to
read
them but no help.
I think it is a 5 wire alternating---any help out there please before I
need to cut wires!
Thanks,
Cecil Longwisch
DMC1982
VIN# 10663
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 23:35:50 -0400
From: "Joe " <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Lowering cars?
Allan,
Shortly after all the design specs for the DeLorean were completed
N.H.T.S.A. changed bumper height requirements for US auto's. This, of
course, was devastating news to DMC when even the thought of getting the
first car off the line seemed difficult. Any change of the body spec's was
virtually "out of the question". The decision was to raise the entire
front
of the car by lengthening the springs. This did not help the looks,
aerodynamics, or handling, but did get the car into production. As to the
height of the Corvette bumper in 81, I don't know the answer.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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> From: Allan Nelson <abnelson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: DML: Lowering cars?
> Date: Friday, May 22, 1998 11:30 AM
>
> Hello, DML! I understand that these cars were design with a particular
> ride height and were raised to meet US specs. What needed to be
> raised...was it the bumper or the headlights (or both)? I seem to
> remember someone saying it was the bumpers. The Corvette front bumpers
> in 1981 sure seem lower than the D. How did they get by with it. It
> would even seem that the headlights of the Vette (when up) would be
> lower than the "raised" DeLorean. Could someone clarify this for me?
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Allan Nelson
> (Still working on that VIN)
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 23:13:28 -0400
From: "Joe " <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: other dmc products
Dick,
You may not be far from the truth, for a period of time after the closing
of DMC in Northern Ireland John D was involved in manufacturing machinery
for snow maintenance for ski resorts. Somewhere in my DeLorean library I
have that information. When I have some time I'll see if I can locate the
article, unless someone else out there knows the facts.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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> From: raddad@xxxxxxx
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: DML: other dmc products
> Date: Monday, May 25, 1998 11:02 PM
>
> >What the **** is a T-40 baggage tugg ?
> ----------------------------
> I had the same question but I'm guessing that it is one of those things
> you
> see whizzing around the airports pulling carts full of baggage.
>
> Out here (Colorado) we see "groomers" running around with dmc logo's on
> them. Oh, yeah, goomers are those things they use at night to push the
> snow around on the ski slopes to get ready for the next days invasion of
> skiers.
>
> I wouldn't be surprised if the baggage tuggs were made by the same
> company as the groomers.
>
> Dick Ryan
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Date: Tue, 26 May 98 23:28:50 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody" <bsmoody@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: suspension
Did anyone ever find a source on those
Aluminum Suspension components ?
- --Brandon
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:32:24 -0400
From: "Joe " <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Heater Control Valve
David,
Yes, the heater core tubes should be visible. The problem you are
describing is common and may be two fold. First; lets correct the hot
water
valve operation. Have someone switch your AC mode switch between MAX and
other positions while you observe the hot water valve, if you don't see
the
arm of the valve move than your not getting vacuum to the valve. Check the
back side of the valve and insure that there is a thin vacuum line
connected to the valve. If the line is not there find it and re connect
it.
If it is connected your not getting vacuum through the line which could
be,
a break in the line between the valve and the AC mode switch or a
defective
mode switch. I won't go any deeper into the woods at this time, let me
know
what you find.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:11:46 -0400
From: "Joe " <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Start Inhibit Relay Circuit Failure
Buono,
Service Bulletin ST-05-2/82 indicated that Vin's prior to 2547 had a
voltage drop problem in the 12V feed to the start inhibit relay. The
modification that was specified replaced the faulty 12V feed with a feed
from the blower circuit breaker. Actually any continuous 12V feed will
work, as you have discovered. The reason the blower circuit breaker was
used was strictly for convenience. The fact that there was an unused blade
connection and it was close to the start inhibit relay made it an easy
modification and eliminated the need to cut into the main wiring harness.
Apparently something happened to the connection to your circuit breaker.
If you wish to go back to the original hook up, which is not necessary,
try
this. There are three heavy brown wires that go to the blower (fan) speed
breaker, one wire is 12V hot at all times, another wire goes to the 3rd
speed fan relay, the other wire goes to the 4th speed relay. There should
be an additional brown wire that goes to the start inhibit relay. Check
all
connections, the 12V continuous feed and the additional wire from the
start
inhibit relay should share the terminals at the (BATT.) side if the
breaker. The remaining two wires that go to the fan speed relays share the
remaining terminals.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:19:26 -0500
From: "Brad Smith" <delorean@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: delorean.org
Greetings fellow Delorean owners (and Enthusiasts).
I have obtained the domain name DELOREAN.ORG through a local
internet provider. It is ran by a friend..so he cut me a deal on
webhosting. Because of the length & content of the message, I am unable
to post all of the information! There will be a large amount of
webspace to create your own website which will read as:
www.delorean.org/yourname and your email address would read
yourname@xxxxxxxxxxxx Pretty cool having Delorean.org as an email
address. I am very excited about getting this website up and running
ASAP. There is a lot of local interest and several accounts are already
activated...but I want to expand this even more!!! If anyone out there
is at all interested feel free to email me personally. Even if you are
not....but just want to know more....drop me a line. NOT through the
DML, however. I will auto reply with all the specs and information
that will come with the account. Hope this wasn't too brief! Thanks
for your time! My email address is below!
Thanks for posting this James!
Brad Smith
delorean@xxxxxxxx
'81 Delorean
VIN 001007
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 22:50:53 -0700
From: "Ryan Bennett" <rpbennet@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Joe's participation
Thinking a few weeks back about a post someone or other made about Joe
from
DMC Services giving advice, etc on the list because of other motives, I
have
to say that I find Joe's input very informative and a welcome addition to
the list's resources. Joe: You seem so willing to help, and knowledgable
in
the ways of the D. I thank you for your input, and hope that you continue
to
participate in these discussions. I personally thank you for your advice.
Being relatively new to the DML, I am still taken aback by the wealth of
knowledge contained herein. I love my DeLorean, and this resource is a
godsend. Right behind Lee, it's people like Joe that make it so valuable.
JZD said it best when he wrote that the very existance of this kind of
support and relentless devotion is a testament to the success of the DMC.
Success, despite bankruptcy and public opinion.
No real point to this post. Just a personal thanks to all who have helped
us
who need it, and amazement at the selfless donations to this community. I
think it's great.
- -Ryan Bennett
VIN # 1085
<sniff> I love you guys.
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 01:09:44 -0400
From: "Joe " <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: other dmc products
Vicki,
I rarely come across information about the DeLorean Motor Company that I
haven't heard before. The baggage tug is a new one but may have some
foundation. One of the many elements that caused DMC to fail was John Z's
appetite to siphon funds from the struggling car company to other
projects.
In mid 81 DMC was involved in the development of a bus, that's right, the
"DMC-80", it was hailed as an Americanized German bus. Shortly after that
John was involved in the ski slope grooming business i.e.: DeLorean
sno-cats. So, you see, DMC baggage tugs may not be that unusual.
If you have any more information on the tugs let me know.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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> From: Vicki Miller <"1000mil@xxxxxxx"@gte.net>
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: DML: other dmc products
> Date: Saturday, May 23, 1998 9:46 PM
>
> Fellow DML readers....
> Just a bit of trivia for thoes interested..
> went to a auction on may 21, 1998 and guess what I saw.....
> I found 2 DMC model T-40 baggage tuggs they were sold
> for $3000.00 a piece, much cheaper than our deloreans.
> white in color, only one seat, 15 inch tires on the back and 14 inch
> tires on the front, they did have on the fire wall a stainless steel
> plate with the exact DMC logo as our cars, made by delorean manifacture
> company.... they were produced in oct of 1983 and came with a one year
> warranty..
>
> If memory serves me right ...the car company was out of business...
>
> JUST A FYI
>
> Bob Miller
> North Carolina
> vin # 4214,3317,5614,11044,6221,2340and 3377
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 01:18:10 -0400
From: "Joe " <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: other dmc products
Dick,
Went to my files and guess what? The DeLorean Motor Company was in the
business of manufacturing ski slope grooming equipment. The two main
products were sno-cats and groomers by DMC from a manufacturing facility
in
Logan, Utah.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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> From: raddad@xxxxxxx
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: DML: other dmc products
> Date: Monday, May 25, 1998 11:02 PM
>
> >What the **** is a T-40 baggage tugg ?
> ----------------------------
> I had the same question but I'm guessing that it is one of those things
> you
> see whizzing around the airports pulling carts full of baggage.
>
> Out here (Colorado) we see "groomers" running around with dmc logo's on
> them. Oh, yeah, goomers are those things they use at night to push the
> snow around on the ski slopes to get ready for the next days invasion of
> skiers.
>
> I wouldn't be surprised if the baggage tuggs were made by the same
company
> as the groomers.
>
> Dick Ryan
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:43:17 -0400
From: "Joe " <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: DML: Bloomberg Article
Matt,
The answers to most of your questions about the design of the DeLorean
suspension system can be found, if you can get your hands on a copy, in
"DeLorean Stainless Steel Illusion" pages 71 through 77.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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> From: Matt Peak <mpeak@xxxxxxxx>
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Re: DML: Bloomberg Article
> Date: Tuesday, May 26, 1998 2:59 AM
>
> >Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:26:55 -0400 (EDT)
> >From: J <sundiver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Subject: Re: DML: Bloomberg Article
> >
> >> >The Delorean Marquee couldn't have asked for a better article than
the
> >> >Bloomberg Magazine article. The author loves his Delorean! I was
> >> >wondering if anybody could validate his comments that the point of
putting
> >> >smaller diameter wheels in front is "to minimize oversteer and offer
> >> >better
> >> >overall handling." Can somebody please explain the physics behind
this?
> >> >Wouldn't larger diameter wheels in the front place more surface area
on
> >> >the
> >> >road and thus help the car steer and corner better?
> >> >
> >> >Matt Peak
> >> >
> >
> >I think what the article really meant by "smaller diameter wheels in
> >front" is larger wheels in the rear. The larger tires in the rear help
to
> >make up for the extra weight in the rear (the engine) and keep the back
> >end from sliding out.
> >
> >- - J
>
> Although this is true, I think the author was referring to the 14 inch
> wheels in the front and the 15 inch wheels in the rear. I have always
> wondered why the Delorean came this way, especially because it appears
the
> prototypes had 15 inch wheels all the way around or possibly 16 inch
> wheels
> in the rear (I stress "appears"). Placing 15 inch wheels in the front
> whould have helped to improve the looks after the
> headlight-height-required
> front springs were installed by making the gap between the wheel and the
> wheel well appear smaller. Handling would have also been improved since
a
> lower profile tire could have been used. The only reason I can think of
> why the change was made from 15 inch to 14 inch rims is because the
larger
> rims may have been scrapping against the sway bar. I have also always
> wondered why the Delorean didn't come with a rear sway bar which is
almost
> a necessity in a rear engined car with a high center of gravity.
>
> The choices for suspension configurations on the Delorean are interesting
> and I wish I knew more about this aspect of the car's history.
>
> Matt Peak
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 02:37:08 -0400
From: "Joe " <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Alarm/Door Lock Installation
Cecil.
The answer is 3 wire negative. Here is some information to help your
engineer friends. The wiring diagram for the door lock circuit is
incomplete, if your looking at (M:18:14) in the workshop manual or page
227
in the tech manual go to items 3, and 4 which are the door lock switches.
The straight vertical line with the connection dot on top is the movable
wiper arm in each door switch, each wiper arm is connected to ground, not
shown in the drawing. Let me offer an additional suggestion. The factory
door lock module like many other electrical components in the car is of
inferior quality and will eventually destroy your lock solenoids
prematurely. I suggest you purchase the "Lockzilla" from P.J. Grady, this
high quality unit will pay for itself in the long run.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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> From: C. Longwisch <CL1954@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: DMC News <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: DML: Alarm/Door Lock Installation
> Date: Wednesday, May 27, 1998 12:06 AM
>
> Has anyone installed a remote door lock/unlock system? I am in the
process
> of an installation and need to know what type of switching we have i.e.
3
> wire, 5 wire, positive or negative pulse?
> I have all the wiring diagrams and a couple of electrical engineers to
> read
> them but no help.
> I think it is a 5 wire alternating---any help out there please before I
> need to cut wires!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cecil Longwisch
> DMC1982
> VIN# 10663
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 06:47:08 -0400
From: Sean Jones <shain@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DeLorean Wanted
Hello,
Does anyone have a DeLorean for sale that is realy worn. Or even a
parts type car for sale. Need one cheaply (not to cheap), and needs
some work. If you have one just e-mail me at shain@xxxxxxxx to keep it
off the list. Thanks.
Sean
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:04:56 -0500
From: Dave Swingle <dswingle@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: re: Heater Control Valve
Joe - Thanks-I'm sending this directly to you as well as to the DMC. I'm,
on=
the digest version so replies usually take a little longer. You may
respond=
directly to this email and cc the list as well to keep all informed.
I have verified that the water valve is operational. It closes (pull-in)=
automatically with the A/C in Max, is open at all other times. The=
recirculator trapdoor on the A/C unit opens at the same time the water=
valve closes. The mode switch works well, and everything functions=
normally. For my test I simply put a tie-wrap around the arm on the
control=
valve to hold it closed all the time. This very effectively shut off the=
hot water, but I'd rather do something a little more convenient, or even=
fix the real problem (Maybe an air leak where the tubes come thru the
front=
firewall?)
Thanks for the help...=20
>> ----------
>> From: Joe=20
>> Subject: DML: Re: Heater Control Valve
>>=20
>> David,
>> Yes, the heater core tubes should be visible. The problem you are
>> describing is common and may be two fold. First; lets correct the hot=20
>> water
[snip]
>> mode switch. I won't go any deeper into the woods at this time, let me
>>=20
>> know
>> what you find.
>> Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:46:16 -0500
From: steve r <stephenr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Biloxi, MS meeting
I have asked Scott Mueller if he would take over and make the plans
for the meeting. It seems like every time I have tried to arrange this
meeting something has come up.
It looks like we may be meeting sometime after the Cincinnati
meeting. I hope Everyone will be able to make it to this meeting.
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 16:23:30 -0500
From: thgraham@xxxxxxxx (Travis Graham)
Subject: DML: A/C water Leak
I posted a similar message about 8 months ago when I first got my A/C
running: My floorboard is quite wet! I believe that it is related to
using
the A/C, because I didn't seem to have the problem during the winter
months
while using heat...
Both the passenger and driver side carpets are thoroughly wet. My
untested
theory is that the water is leaking somewhere and running down the
fiberglass floor, because the padding seems to be even wetter than the
carpet. I know that other people get a wet floor after running the A/C
for
a while, but I there is a LOT of water in my floor and it just doesn't
seem
normal.
Does anyone have any ideas on how I can get this fixed fast? I sure don't
want mildew, but it's getting REALLY HOT OUT THERE!! Could it be as
simple
as a clogged overflow tube (and would this cause water to run inside the
car)? Also, I have foam installed on the evaporator casing under the
passenger dash - a little water drips off of that, but I can't believe
that
it is the primary cause of "De Lorean Lake" in my floor.
Thanks very much for your help,
Travis Graham
VIN 6344
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:58:22 EDT
From: KayoOng@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: tires
Anyone out there, have any experiences with Pirelli tires on their
Delorean?
They are the only brand that are available, NOW at this TIME.
I have tried many tire distributors down to the local retailers.
They are the only brand with the right sizes for the front and rears.
They are rated "H" for the fronts (okay) and "V" for the rears
(excellent).
I am getting desperate for tires.
I need a set before I head for the Cincinnati meet.
Tire Rack does not have any rear tires that are rate "H" and above.
They cannot match front and rears with the same brand.
Yoko's AVS for the rears are out of stock until middle of June and they
have
pre-sold 19 sets with the shipment that is due in from Japan as of
yesterday.
They have no other brands available that are "H" rated or for the "size"
rated.
So ends that at the Tire Rack.
After many different tries elsewhere, only the Pirellis are available.
Exhausted everyone, and all other distributors and retailer,
especially in New York City.
Can you believe that?
You can buy anything in NYC????????
Just out of curiosity.
Can 235/70-15 or 245/70-15 sizes be use in the rear without any adverse
conditions to be expected?
What does it do to the height and will it clear the wheel well of the
Delorean?
Will it change the peformance's end?
Anyone with any other leads or suggestions?
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Kayo Ong
#05508
Lic 9D NY
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