dmcnews-digest Monday, March 23 1998 Volume 03 : Number
342
In this issue:
Re: DML: Cooling Systems w/R134a
DML: 90's DMC12
Re: DML: Cooling Systems w/R134a
Re: DML: Cooling Systems w/R134a
DML: DMC Mauals For Sale
DML: Accumulator replaced
DML: Greenville Meeting Saturday 3/21/98
Re: DML: Cooling Systems w/R134a
Re: DML: Cooling Systems w/R134a
DML: Fwd: Fix Car A/C, EPA Traiing/Certification On-Line, Get R-12
Re: DML: Cooling Systems w/R134a
DML: R-12 Replacements
DML: DeLorean visible in "new" Wedding Singer commercial
Re: DML: R-12 Replacements
DML: exhaust
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:54:24 EST
From: Kayo Ong <KayoOng@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Cooling Systems w/R134a
On the subject of air condition.
Does anyone out there know how many lbs. charge, or how much is the
pressure
reading on the "high and low" side using R-12 or R-134A on an emptied and
evacuate system on a Delorean would hold?
Kayo Ong
#05508
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:21:27 -0700
From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: 90's DMC12
I remember someone putting together a list of modifications to
'modernize' the DMC12. I believe someone made these changes to their car,
including plexiglass windows that rolled all the way down. I think they
had a website, can anyone tell me the URL? Thanks,
-Ace Underhill-
Vin. 2860
AZ Lic. 8T8 MPH
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:03:22 -0600
From: Jordan Gary <jordang@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Cooling Systems w/R134a
Dear Kayo, There is a service bulletin, which I found on one of the web
sites, I think Delorean Motor Co, which gives the freon charge. It was
originally 2.75 lbs.. but they changed it o 2.2 lbs. So about 3 small
cans or
a little more. The pressures on gauges vary with the air temperature.
So to
use them you need pressure tables which you can find in air conditioning
manuals or full repair manuals for cars. I do not yet know the info
about the
new 134-a gas. I have not yet seen a manual which gives all the
specifics. I
want one though.
I am told that to do it right one needs to purge all of the old oil from
the
system, which includes the compressor. They sell a purging fluid which
one
blows through. Jordan Gary vin 0794
Kayo Ong wrote:
> On the subject of air condition.
>
> Does anyone out there know how many lbs. charge, or how much is the
> pressure
> reading on the "high and low" side using R-12 or R-134A on an emptied
and
> evacuate system on a Delorean would hold?
>
> Kayo Ong
> #05508
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:40:35 -0800
From: "tomcio" <tomcio@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Cooling Systems w/R134a
You can find this service bulletin on this page: www.usadmc.com under
Factory Service Bulletins. Hope this helps.
Tom
vin 6298
Jordan Gary <jordang@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote on Thursday March 19, 1998 at
11:16am:
>Dear Kayo, There is a service bulletin, which I found on one of the web
>sites, I think Delorean Motor Co, which gives the freon charge. It was
>originally 2.75 lbs.. but they changed it o 2.2 lbs. So about 3 small
>cans or a little more. The pressures on gauges vary with the air
temperature.
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:44:22 -0600
From: "PHAMER.OPPD.COM" <PHAMER@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DMC Mauals For Sale
All the Tech Manuals are gone that were posted, there are two Price Lists
left
(I miscounted) and two Parts Catalogs. Lists are $10 and Catalogs are
$20,
both include shipping. I will be leaving for CA Sunday and be gone all
week.
Paul Hamer
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:18:09 -0800
From: "Ryan Bennett" <rpbennet@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Accumulator replaced
Need to spread the joy that my new fuel accumulator did the trick for my
hot start problem. Much thanks to James and the DML for the great
resources
that saved my frustration and funds plenty.
I'd like to reiterate the reccomendation of Dave Lee at Hayward Automotive
in the CA Bay Area. He has really taken care of me, and I believe he knows
his stuff. I am so happy that I don't have to deal with Ed down South. He
IS a nutcase as some people have described him.
Ryan Bennett
VIN 1085
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 06:26:57 -0600
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: DML: Greenville Meeting Saturday 3/21/98
Duke, Bill, Mailing List Members
Do you still want to meet in Greenville tomorrow?
How about noon at the "Golden Corral Family Steak House".
908 Fort Dale Road, Greenville, AL
334.382.6459
I found it cruising the internet. I believe it is exit 130 off of I 65,
then SE on Fort Dale Road.
Give me a call tonight to confirm.
Scott Mueller
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 07:32:08 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Cooling Systems w/R134a
In New Jersey, I am told that you can no longer buy R12 (even with a
licence!) and the only way to get it is "recycled"
I had some work done on my Ford Taurus, and when I got the car back, I
found that it was converted to R134a for me. Apparently, they wanted my
R-12 valued at over $50 a pound! The problem was, they screwed
something up, and my compressor soon died a few months later.
I have 3 cases of R-12 I bought a few years back before it was illegal,
so I have no reason to convert!
Marc
Dave.Sontos@CAGTAO wrote:
>
> Has anyone converted their R12 A/C system over to the new
> enviornmentally safe R134a. I was just in the local K-Mart last night
> and found a R134 conversion kit containing a bottle of ester base oil
> and three bottles of R134 refrigerent. Kit contains all new fittings
> that attach to your current fittings permanently. I've read in other
> articles that you must purge the old mineral base oil from the system
> first but the directions with the kit don't mention this. And you
> don't need a license to buy it]]]] I'm going to try it on my
> daughters car first since that one hasn't had a charge since we
> bought it and replaced the engine.
>
> Dave VIN 2573
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:53:42 -0600
From: Bill Marcussen <billmarcussen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Cooling Systems w/R134a
R-12 is still available and legal for use by a licensed technician. The
price is significantly higher than it used to be because it can no
longer be manufactured and is now much more regulated. However, unless
your A/C system needs to have a major component replaced, I would bet
that having it recharged with R-12 periodically is much more economical
than having the system converted to R-134a. Also, if you are motivated
to co a conversion by the alleged link of R-12 to the theoretical
phenomena of global warming, I would suggest that you consider one of
the replacement refrigerants that is compatible with R-12, eliminating
the need to do a complete purge and oil change. (I understand they also
perform better than R-134a in converted systems.)
Bill
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 98 09:24:10 -0700
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Fwd: Fix Car A/C, EPA Traiing/Certification On-Line, Get
R-12
I received this last summer and thought I would pass it on to the list. I
checked the website and it seems legit.
James
- ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ----------------
Subject: Fix Car A/C, EPA Traiing/Certification On-Line, Get R-12
Sent: 7/29/97 3:49 PM
Received: 7/30/97 6:08 AM
From: root@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: espey@xxxxxxxxxxx
James Espey,
I am very sorry if this letter is a nuisance. THIS IS
THE ONLY LETTER I WILL SEND YOU! I was not trying to bug you!!
I saw your name in an auto news group and thought this might
interest you. Thanks for your time!
I thought you might like to fix your own AC, Buy R-12 (Freon 12)
and also buy other refrigerants.
All this is possible if you are an EPA (Environmental Protection
Agency) certified MVAC (Motor Vehicle Air Conditioning Technician).
Getting EPA certified is easier than you think. We have a FREE on-line
training manual you can download. When you are ready, you can take the
Open-Book (25 multiple-choice question) EPA certification Exam on-line
for only $9.95. A temporary card is issued immediately and a permanent
card is mailed within 30 days. This is the EPA Section 609 MVAC card
required by the auto parts dealers (before they will sell you R-12,
Refrigerant substitute blends, and other AC related items).
Check out our home page at http://www.epatest.com/ for more details.
Again I am sorry if you consider this JUNK Mail. This is the only mail
you will get from me. Thanks for the time
Sincerely Bob Scaringe
- ----------------- End Forwarded Message -----------------
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:40:02 -0700
From: "Aaron Barrus" <ASBARRUS@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Cooling Systems w/R134a
I have personally used GHG-r406a, an R12 substitute, in many R12 systems.
=
In fact, becoming certified as an A/C technition is as simple as reading
a =
small book (15 pages) and taking a $60 test. Then you can buy the =
refridgerant from any A/C supplier and put it in your car yourself.
This is an extraordinarily simple procedure, and the cost of the test is
a =
lot less aggravating that the cost of paying a repair shop hundreds to do
=
a five-minute recharge! Unfortunately, r-406a must be purchased in bulk =
(30lb bottles, or whatever they are), so you're into the same amount of =
dough this way. But you can recharge all your own and all your friend's =
A/C systems for years to come. =20
And yes, performace of r-406a is much better than r-134a. Newer cars =
which have r-134a have larger compressors to compensate for the lack of =
performance, but of course this puts a much higher drain on your engine =
and still isn't as good. My problem with r-406a in some cases has been =
ice forming on the radiator fins, fan blades, internal ducting, etc, =
causing decreased air flow - simple enough to fix by lowering freon =
pressure.
If anybody is near Utah, I'd gladly share my left over stash!
Aaron Barrus
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:36:44 -0600
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: DML: R-12 Replacements
I found a couple of web sites that claim that they have a direct
replacement for R-12 refrigerant.
http://www.autofrost.com
Autofrost claims that there R-406A is compatible with the elastomers and
provides increased cooling capacity.
and
http://frigc.com
Pennzoil claims that there Frigc is completely compatiable with the
existing R-12 systems. They plan to offer it thru "Jiffy Lube"
throughout the nation.
I have not yet converted my R-12 system yet, I was able to recharge it
with R-12 a couple of years ago and it still works fine.
Anyone else with experience or info, do not be shy, this is something we
all will have to deal with in the near future.
Scott Mueller
vin 2981
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:07:05 -0500
From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DeLorean visible in "new" Wedding Singer commercial
Here in Cleveland they just started running the version of the Wedding
Singer TV commercial in which you can see the DeLorean. Before this
week the DeLorean was only visible in the infomercial on Comedy
Central and the theater trailer.
I apologize to anyone who is sick of hearing about these DeLorean
media sightings. Here in the North most of our cars are still tucked
away for the winter, so we've gotta get our thrills wherever we can.
Frankly, I would much rather have an air conditioner problem to discuss!
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:51:59 -0800
From: Dave Price <davep@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: R-12 Replacements
>Pennzoil claims that there Frigc is completely compatiable with the
>existing R-12 systems. They plan to offer it thru "Jiffy Lube"
>throughout the nation.
>
I called the shop that Pennzoil's website pointed me to and asked about
recharging an R-12 A/C with Frigc FR-12 and they said it does require some
minor conversion, not as much as the R-134a though.. They quoted me
$130-150 to convert and charge, or about $65 for a 2.5# recharge. Does
anyone know of what needs to be converted, or if it's difficult/expensive
to do? Also, does anyone have information on the price of Frigc purchased
by itself (assuming you have the certification..)? I wondering if it
would
be more cost effective for me to take the EPA test ($20) buy direct, and
do
the conversion/recharge myself, or if it's worth the ~$150....
Thanks!!
Dave
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 98 23:14:09 PST
From: "Brandon S. Moody" <bsmoody@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: exhaust
Has anyone ever had any custom exhaust put
on your cars ? Not that the original doesn't work,
but something of stainless and a little less backpressure
would probably be better ? any ideas or thoughts ?
- -Brandon
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