dmcnews-digest Tuesday, December 23 1997 Volume 03 : Number 314
In this issue:
DML: ITS READY !!!!
DML: NEW BOOK THAT MENTIONS DE LOREANS
Re: DML: Window Regulators
DML: Updated parts database uploaded to DMCNews.com
DML: Somedays I Hate My DMC
DML: Re: Somedays I Hate My DMC
Re: DML: Starting problems...
DML: Frame Epoxy Removal
Re: DML: NEW BOOK THAT MENTIONS DE LOREANS
DML: DMC Key-Update
Re: DML: Somedays I Hate My DMC
DML: DeLorean Books
DML: mystery parts
Re: DML: Somedays I Hate My DMC
Re: DML: Mystery parts
DML: Delorean
Re: DML: Re: Some days I Hate My DMC
Re: DML: Re: Some days I Hate My DMC
Re: DML: Delorean
Re: DML: Re: Some days I Hate My DMC
Re: DML: More cold weather problems
DML: Wiring Diagram
DML: VIN ?
Re: DML: VIN ?
DML: Finally, I am an owner
Re: DML: Delorean
DML: Holiday Greetings from DeLorean Motor Company
Re: DML: Delorean
DML: DMC Mechanic
Re: DML: Re: Some days I Hate My DMC
Re: DML: mystery parts
Re: DML: Delorean
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 97 14:08:47 PST
From: "Brandon S. Moody" <bsmoody@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: ITS READY !!!!
OK fellow DeLorean Owners. The BIG wall wiring
Diagram is ready for print. I worked on it most of the
week getting the best results for the price. The final
product is 36" X 56 ". Its printed on heavy White Shacoh Bond.
Many of the main components are labeled directly on the
diagram but everything is labeled and listed on the right
column of the diagram with an index key. The diagram is
a reproduction of the original diagram from 1981 DMC and
contains information of both Automatic and Manual transmission
connections. Price will be $30.00 and that DOES INCLUDE
Shipping and packaging in the US via US-mail.
Anyone that wants to add an advertisement, such as parts,
accessories, seat covers, or repair service. Send that info
to me at BSMOODY@xxxxxxx . In the "SUBJECT"
field, just type ADVERTISE and nothing else. Include
your name and/or company name, phone contact and/or
email/ and brief discription of service you provide
I will add this info the the left column of the diagram FREE
of charge to those you send me the info BEFORE DEC-31
TO order the DIAGRAM, Just email BSMOODY@xxxxxxx
in the subject field, enter DIAGRAM and nothing else.
Include your name and address , return e-mail and
QTY needed. ORders will be taken through this month
and stopped on the 15th of January 1998. Then they will
be printed and shipped.
Any questions just email bsmoody@xxxxxxx . Its important
that you correctly fill in the SUBJECT box when ordering,
to see that the server routes the message to the correct
directory. I will be leaving for NewZealand tonight
but will be checking e-mail once there to answer any questions
that any may have. Have a good Christmas everyone.
- -Brandon
bsmoody@xxxxxxx
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 15:39:59 -0500
From: Aldo.Buono@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: NEW BOOK THAT MENTIONS DE LOREANS
The Complete Book of the Car:
The Definitive Illustrated Guide
to the World's Favorite Automobiles
by Alan Anderson
Published by: Carlton Books Limited, 1997
Editor includes a brief history of the De Lorean, but the book has no
pictures of De Loreans.
Something interesting caught my eye in reading the description:
Were the engines in the prototypes Ford V6s??????
The editor says so. Is he correct??????
Happy Holidays,
Aldo Buono
De Lorean Midatlantic, President
DOC #16
VIN #1440
Plate: PA DEGULL
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 97 18:02:21 PST
From: "Brandon S. Moody" <bsmoody@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Window Regulators
> About two years ago I replaced my driver side window regulator to the new
> and improved heavy duty regulator that is available at the normal parts
> vendors. As you can expect it is very expensive. During this
> installation
> it was quite obvious that this part is a good substitute. This leads me
> to
> believe that this part is being munufactured for other autos and should be
> available from local parts dealers ( at a much lower price) if only I
> knew
> how to identify it to them. This leads me to my request. If any of you
> have the new regulator sitting on your shelve would you please look at it
> to see if it has any identification as to who is the manufacturer.
> Thanks,
> Jim.
I truely believe that there is nothing wrong with the original regulator.
The biggest problem I have found is that the original lubricant put
on by the factory gets old and dirty and looses its lubricating ability.
Thoses of you that have the original, its a good idea this winter to
remove them , clean off all the old grease, then put some new
white lithium or something of that nature, It will make the windows work
much faster and with less strain on the motor. The original regulator
is a BOSCH I believe, but I cant think of the part number off hand.
I'll look into it. They are a pain to get out, especially with the door
on the car, but Its worth it.
=BM
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 97 14:40:00 PST
From: Knut S Grimsrud <Knut_S_Grimsrud@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Updated parts database uploaded to DMCNews.com
I have completed some minor updates on the parts database program
based on some feedback I got from early users and some minor
inconsistencies that were discovered. Also, this release adds some
online documentation in the form of a proper Windows help file. The
latest release 1.01 has been uploaded and is accessible via the
DMCNews web page.
I have been in contact with a couple organizations on supplying
cross-reference modules, and these should start appearing in short
order.
Happy holidays.
Knut Grimsrud
DeLorean Club of Oregon
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:15:32 EST
From: TGraham999 <TGraham999@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Somedays I Hate My DMC
I try to keep a positive outlook when it comes to my car. I really like
my De
Lorean, but sometimes it really ticks me off. I was just seat covers away
from a perfect D. I treated it well and tried to maintain it as best as
possible and today it decided to rebel again. I received the news that my
head gaskets are blown. My mechanic also charges a premium, but they're
the
only shop that works on a De Lorean around here. Sorry to ramble on like
this, but I am a bit miffed and trying to let off steam. I've had one
problem
after another with this car since I bought it in May...I am almost
cleaned out
of money!!! Any similar irritations?
Travis Graham
VIN # HELL
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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:02:10 -0500
From: "John Stiefel" <stiefel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Somedays I Hate My DMC
Well my first question is how much did the car cost you in the first
place?
While there are some good deals out there from people who don't know what
they have, the general rule is you get what you paid for. A Delorean for
$15,000.00 will probably need several things done to it before it is great
where as a $10,000.00 may need lots of work. I purchased mine for
$14,000.00 last Feb. and have put about $5,000.00 worth of projects into
it.
>I try to keep a positive outlook when it comes to my car. I really like
>my De
>Lorean, but sometimes it really ticks me off. I was just seat covers away
>from a perfect D. I treated it well and tried to maintain it as best as
>possible and today it decided to rebel again. I received the news that my
>head gaskets are blown. My mechanic also charges a premium, but they're
>the
>only shop that works on a De Lorean around here. Sorry to ramble on like
>this, but I am a bit miffed and trying to let off steam. I've had one
>problem
>after another with this car since I bought it in May...I am almost
>cleaned out
>of money!!! Any similar irritations?
>
>Travis Graham
>VIN # HELL
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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:53:27 -0800
From: Barbara Gary <barbarag@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Starting problems...
Your problem has to be in the starting system. The starter or starter
solenoid could be failing when they get warmed up. Also the battery cable
could be developing a poor connection at its terminal end when it warms
up.
The boost from the other car provides enough power to overcome the poor
connection in the cable, solenoid or starter. This same problem in my De
Lorian was a failing solenoid. The same problem in two of my Mazdas were
the
cables.
Dave Price wrote:
> A big thanks to everyone that gave me suggestions, I'm sorry I wasn't a
> little more specific about the problem..
>
> When I turn the key and the car is warm, I hear a relay click behind the
> passenger seat, but the engine doesn't crank at all. It's just dead
> silence, no noises from the engine at all. When the car is cold, it
> starts
> right up, and does it's little rev-rev until warm.
>
> When the car is warm, it does (eventually) start when I give it a jump.
> However, it takes a while (5-30 min.) for jumping to work, so it may just
> be that the car gets a chance to cool down. While I'm trying to jump it, I
> get dead silence from the engine when attempting to start it, until it
> finally works and turns over. ( although it does struggle when I do get it
> to start warm ).
>
> Thanks again for the input. I'm thinking it has more to do with the
> starter or the solenoid than with the fuel pump, as the starter isn't
> getting engaged.
>
> Dave
> 16228
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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 97 22:23:24 -0000
From: David Swingle <dswingle@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Frame Epoxy Removal
Winter project pt 2:
I have been working on cleaning up my frame from the center crossmember
forward. After hours of scraping and wire brushing, I finally hit on the
way to easily remove the epoxy - CAREFUL use of a propane torch, on a low
setting, and then it scrapes right off! (Yes - I removed the Gas Tank
first! - along with most everything else at the front of the car
including wiring harness, cooling system, facia, suspension etc.) You
don't have to heat the epoxy much at all, in fact after the removal the
metal underneath is barely warm to the touch. It would be safer to use an
electric heat gun, but I didn't have one around and I was getting so
frustrated with the scraping I had to try something.
I've finished sandblasting and repainting the suspension parts and other
assorted brackets. Next it's on to the metal treatment and Rustguard
coating of the front frame.
Dave Swingle
81 VIN 5429
DOA, DMC, DMC(Midwest)
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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:54:44 -0800
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: NEW BOOK THAT MENTIONS DE LOREANS
At 03:39 PM 12/19/97 -0500, you wrote:
>The Complete Book of the Car:
>The Definitive Illustrated Guide
>to the World's Favorite Automobiles
>
>by Alan Anderson
>
>Published by: Carlton Books Limited, 1997
>
>Editor includes a brief history of the De Lorean, but the book has no
>pictures of De Loreans.
>
>Something interesting caught my eye in reading the description:
>Were the engines in the prototypes Ford V6s??????
>The editor says so. Is he correct??????
>
reply:
Yes he is correct: Originally De Lorean was interested in using 4-rotor
Wankel engines, in particular the NSU model Ro80 weight 223 pounds and
developing 107 hp @ 6600 with 101 foot pounds of tongue.
The first actual choice was the German built Ford 119HP 2.8 liter V-6
which
was being used in the Ford Mustang and Mercury Capri II at the time. The
Ford V-6 was placed side ways behind the rear axel. A Borg-Warner T-5
5-speed manual transmission sat parallel to the V-6. With power run
forwards to a gear box/differential then to half shafts and Pirelli P7
tires.
The first proto-type was powered by the Citroen CX with 4 cylinder engine
and 4 speed gear-box which made the proto-type a true mid-Engine car.
The second proto-type was re-engined with the single overhead camshaft V-6
Peugeot, Renault, Volvo, and came in 2.6 and 2.8 liter forms, the engine
was certified for US emissions and currently being used in the Peugeot 604
and Volvo P260 series.
Hope this answers your question!
Lee
VIN#5729
Lic:81DMC-12
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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 18:40:29 -0800
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DMC Key-Update
This weeks update.
We have been shipping all last week and will ship next Monday-Wednesday.
and again the following week on the same schedule.
some of those who ordered keys should be getting them now. We are about
half way threw the original list. we should have gotten to every one with
ordering instructions. If you have not gotten this e-mail, and still wish
to get DMC-Key blanks or duplicate with added DMC monogram please send me
e-mail and just post "Key-Info" and we will see you get the information.
We expect to have the list completed by the first of the year, so I think
it will be safe to lift the two key restriction after the first of the
year.
If for any reason there is a problem with one of the keys we made arises
please let us know by e-mail ASAP so we can take care of it. This includes
Key Blanks that are the wrong section pattern, or keys you get duplicated
that don't work.
Also if you have a gas cap key or non DMC key you want the DMC monogram
top
added, let us know. The price will always be the same.
OK that's it, we are doing our best to get as much done by x-mass as we
can.
Lee
VIN#5729
Lic: 81DMC-12
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:14:45 -0800
From: Dave Price <davep@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Somedays I Hate My DMC
> I am a bit miffed and trying to let off steam. I've had one
>problem
>after another with this car since I bought it in May...I am almost
>cleaned out
>of money!!! Any similar irritations?
>
Well, I can't say that my D has been problem-free... My starter,
transmission, lambda, and AC are all not working, and I have about $1000
in
interior cosmetic repairs. The sick thing is that I paid $16000 for it,
so
I thought I'd be in the "safe" price range. But, all-in-all I purchased
the car assuming that it would be a constant effort to maintain and
upkeep.
I must say that it has yet to dissapoint me when it comes to that. I was
hoping it would be free of problems that would inhibit driving for at
least
a year.. It made it about 100 miles. I share the same frustration when it
comes to maintenence though... Parts and service aren't cheap. Sigh.. The
price you pay to drive a dream.
Dave
16228
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:37:03 PST
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DeLorean Books
Hi guys!
Yesterday I went shopping for my last Christmas presents, and in my
bookstore's "English Section", i found 3(!) motorbooks which covered
the DeLorean. Needless to say, I bought them all for myself.
I thought it might be of interest to you all, and the books are probably
not hard to find elsewhere in the world.
1) Collins Gem - Classic Cars
HarperCollins Publishers
Glasgow, G4 0NB, GREAT BRITAIN
This is in a pocket-book format, brief description of the best known
classic cars - including the DeLorean.
2)Wordsworth Colour Handbooks - Classic Sports Cars
Wordsworth Editions Ltd.
Cumberland House, Crib Street, Ware, Hartfordshire SG12 9ET,
GREAT BRITAIN
This book reflects the opinion of the writer - and the DeLorean is
clearly not his favourite. Sad story, but ok pictures.
3)FUTURE CLASSICS - Present-day cars destined to become tomorrow's
classics by Alexander Corne, Grange Books, The Grange, Grange Yard,
London SE1 3AG, GREAT BRITAIN.
This book is very nice and the best of the three! Mr. Corne describes
the DeLorean very professionally, and talks in favour of the DeLorean -
"...today the unique combination of body style and finish, added to
relative rarity, make the car a good long-term bet as an investment, and
a sure-fire curiosity."
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU ALL!
Stian Birkeland, Flekkefjord, NORWAY
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:43:54 -0800
From: Dave Price <davep@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: mystery parts
I found some mystery parts in my glove box and I was wondering if anyone
could clue me in on what they are.. Here's a general shape:
_____ _____
| o | | o |
| |_| |
| o o |
| |
| o o |
| |
| o o |
| _ |
| o | | o |
| | | |
- --------- --------
the right edge is supposed to be straight.. There are three pieces that
are shaped like this, two of them are plastic and one is rubber. The
plastic ones have pegs where the "o"s are and the rubber one has holes
where the "o"s are. Any ideas? Thanks!
Dave
16228
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:25:25 -0700
From: raddad@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Somedays I Hate My DMC
I have always described my relationship with my DeLorean as a love/hate
thing. There is so much about this car to enjoy that I couldn't get with
any other car at almost any price. At the same time, it does have
idosyncrasies that are damned frustrating.
When one drives a car that only had a production run of less than 10,000
cars, you know the bugs didn't all get worked out. Further, you should
know that the previous owner probably didn't get them worked out either,
or
he/she probably wouldn't have sold it.
I'm on my second D. Obviously, love won out. Oh, it doesn't hurt to have
a very understanding and supportive wife, as well.
The Rad Dad
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 97 12:20:15 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Mystery parts
Dave wrote:
>I found some mystery parts in my glove box and I was wondering if anyone
>could clue me in on what they are.. Here's a general shape:
>_____ _____
>| o | | o |
>| |_ | |
>| o o |
>| |
>| o o |
>| |
>| o o |
>| _ |
>| o | | o |
>| | | |
>--------- -------
>
>the right edge is supposed to be straight.. There are three pieces that
>are shaped like this, two of them are plastic and one is rubber. The
>plastic ones have pegs where the "o"s are and the rubber one has holes
>where the "o"s are. Any ideas? Thanks!
Pieces exactly like you describe and illustrate fell out of one of my
door vents while in Nashville a few years back. I showed them to Stephen
Wynne and he identified them as pieces of the actual vent mechanism. I
kept them, but never got around to taking the time to see it was
repairable. Anyone else know more?
James
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:29:24 EST
From: Hudson 81 <Hudson81@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Delorean
Hello
I am considering buying a Delorean to drive regular, and wondering
if they break down a lot and cost a lot to keep in good running condition.
So if you could tell me the mounthly amount yall spend to keep the
Delorean
running and any other tips to look at for before i buy it
Thanks
Keith Hernandez
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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 19:14:23 -0800
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Some days I Hate My DMC
At 04:02 PM 12/20/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Well my first question is how much did the car cost you in the first
>place?
>While there are some good deals out there from people who don't know what
>they have, the general rule is you get what you paid for. A Delorean for
>$15,000.00 will probably need several things done to it before it is great
>where as a $10,000.00 may need lots of work. I purchased mine for
>$14,000.00 last Feb. and have put about $5,000.00 worth of projects into
>it............
>reply:
You are right about the average cost, and you are right about the fact
that
there are good deals out there!
I paid about the same as your average figure for an almost never driven
DMC in show condition. It needed about 3K in work, which I would have done
in any case. New tires, brakes, injectors, and some zilla-izing (sic).
The discretionary income we spend on our cars is no more or less
important
than any adult pursuit. THE AMOUNTS ARE NOT A REFLECTION OF GOOD DECISION
MAKING. Indeed I would say it's more a reflection on an individual view of
interest and importance. Like everything else in life, each of us will put
more or less into any interest depending on our own individual view and
our
means to reach a specific goal.
In other words don't be to concerned about what you spend or what others
spend on D's. It's mostly a case of pleasure not who got the best deal.
Lee
VIN#5729
Lic: 81DMC-12
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:27:28 -0500
From: "John Stiefel" <stiefel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Some days I Hate My DMC
My original reply was in the attempt to find out if the individual who
purchased the D was fully aware of the costs of these automobiles. It is
true that what you pay and what others pay are of no importance with
respect
to ones love of the car. My reason for writing the original letter was
that
I have heard lots of people talking about how they got a real great deal
on
the car only to have too many repairs needed, and are forced to resell it.
Those people can hurt the image of these fine automobiles by bad mouthing
them. In general there is always work needed to keep a Delorean up, and
where it is true some people will put more or less time and money into a
car, the bottom line is that any good Delorean has a ballpark price
sticker
and if that is not met, there is work to be done.
- -----Original Message-----
From: lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Monday, December 22, 1997 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Some days I Hate My DMC
>At 04:02 PM 12/20/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>Well my first question is how much did the car cost you in the first place?
>>While there are some good deals out there from people who don't know what
>>they have, the general rule is you get what you paid for. A Delorean for
>>$15,000.00 will probably need several things done to it before it is great
>>where as a $10,000.00 may need lots of work. I purchased mine for
>>$14,000.00 last Feb. and have put about $5,000.00 worth of projects into
>>it............
>
>>reply:
>
>You are right about the average cost, and you are right about the fact
>that there are good deals out there!
>
>I paid about the same as your average figure for an almost never driven
>DMC in show condition. It needed about 3K in work, which I would have done
>in any case. New tires, brakes, injectors, and some zilla-izing (sic).
>
>The discretionary income we spend on our cars is no more or less important
>than any adult pursuit. THE AMOUNTS ARE NOT A REFLECTION OF GOOD DECISION
>MAKING. Indeed I would say it's more a reflection on an individual view of
>interest and importance. Like everything else in life, each of us will put
>more or less into any interest depending on our own individual view and
>our means to reach a specific goal.
>
>In other words don't be to concerned about what you spend or what others
>spend on D's. It's mostly a case of pleasure not who got the best deal.
>
>Lee
>VIN#5729
>Lic: 81DMC-12
>
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:40:30 -0800
From: Dave Price <davep@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Delorean
At 03:29 PM 12/22/97 EST, you wrote:
>Hello
>
>I am considering buying a Delorean to drive regular, and wondering
>if they break down a lot and cost a lot to keep in good running condition.
>So if you could tell me the mounthly amount yall spend to keep the=20
>Delorean running and any other tips to look at for before i buy it
First off, this is just my opinion, from what I've read over the last year
or so, and what I'm currently experiencing....
Generally speaking, a Delorean for sale is a Delorean that needs work, or
will need work soon. Who would sell it if everything was goin' great?
(unless you pay a high-dollar figure for a loved D, that is.). After some
initial debugging and repairs, you should expect something to go wrong
fairly regulaly. If you don't have automotive expertese, or don't want to
learn and fix the problems yourself, it will be expensive to maintain. If
you do the work yourself, the parts aren't outrageous.
Parts for my Geo Metro are as expensive as parts for my Delorean. And
there isn't anyone who can help me with my metro. There is a whole
community to help you diagnose and step you through problems with your D.
As far as a monthly dollar figure.. My first month will be somewhere
around $600 for parts. But I've only owned it for a month, so this could
just be a rare month. I'd anticipate those kinda months though. Probably
wouldn't be a bad idea to stash $100 a month in a "blowout" fund. If that
accumulates to over $1000, start using the extra to fix cosmetics... But
most repairs fall under $1000.... Let me know if I'm off guys!
my .02
Dave
16228
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:28:23 EST
From: JSteuben <JSteuben@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Some days I Hate My DMC
Lee has the right idea. Nobody who justs wants transportation need
apply.
A 'D' is a hobby, no its a mission, no its an obsession, no its,
its...crazy!
That's why I bought mine. But here's a warning for those of you who
think you
can beat the system. How complete is your tool set? How organized is
your
garage space? How many hours can you devote to your new responcibility
every
day, week, month? Talk about a niche car, check out Hemmings, does the
'D'
Car ever get more than two pages?
If you don't like to spend your money on your car, and if your wife and
family
will suffer if you do....Don't do this to yourself.
Now for the rest of us.....HAPPY HOLIDAYS! *<<<(:>)} Joe
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 19:04:43 EST
From: TV R US <TVRUS@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: More cold weather problems
I just had my doors realigned here in Mpls.... and they are now truely
screwed
up to the point of ripping my door gaskets..... grrrrrr.
Does anyone know the correct procedure for aligning the doors????
Thanks
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 97 20:23:14 PST
From: "Brandon S. Moody" <bsmoody@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Wiring Diagram
Some members have told me that they didn't receive the message
about the diagram being finished. So, here it is again for the ones
that the message didn't make it to.
I have also had some request to have a picture of the diagram on
the Web for folks to view. Currently, I'm in New Zealand, but I have
e-mailed a contact back home to get a photo on the WEB. I will let
you know when its available for viewing.
- -BM
(-------------- Original Message______________)
OK fellow DeLorean Owners. The BIG wall wiring
Diagram is ready for print. I worked on it most of the
week getting the best results for the price. The final
product is 36" X 56 ". Its printed on heavy White Shacoh Bond.
Many of the main components are labeled directly on the
diagram but everything is labeled and listed on the right
column of the diagram with an index key. The diagram is
a reproduction of the original diagram from 1981 DMC and
contains information of both Automatic and Manual transmission
connections. Price will be $30.00 and that DOES INCLUDE
Shipping and packaging in the US via US-mail.
Anyone that wants to add an advertisement, such as parts,
accessories, seat covers, or repair service. Send that info
to me at BSMOODY@xxxxxxx . In the "SUBJECT"
field, just type ADVERTISE and nothing else. Include
your name and/or company name, phone contact and/or
email/ and brief discription of service you provide
I will add this info the the left column of the diagram FREE
of charge to those you send me the info BEFORE DEC-31
TO order the DIAGRAM, Just email BSMOODY@xxxxxxx
in the subject field, enter DIAGRAM and nothing else.
Include your name and address , return e-mail and
QTY needed. ORders will be taken through this month
and stopped on the 15th of January 1998. Then they will
be printed and shipped.
Any questions just email bsmoody@xxxxxxx . Its important
that you correctly fill in the SUBJECT box when ordering,
to see that the server routes the message to the correct
directory. I will be leaving for NewZealand tonight
but will be checking e-mail once there to answer any questions
that any may have. Have a good Christmas everyone.
- -Brandon
bsmoody@xxxxxxx
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 97 21:34:12 PST
From: "Brandon S. Moody" <bsmoody@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: VIN ?
Anyone know anything about car # 1786 ?
I found it last week in a remote location.
Looks as if it hasn't been moved for many years.
Just curious if anyone knows the car ?
=Brandon
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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 97 06:37:11 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: VIN ?
On 12/23/97 5:34 AM, Brandon S. Moody shared these fine thoughts...
>Anyone know anything about car # 1786 ?
>I found it last week in a remote location.
>Looks as if it hasn't been moved for many years.
>Just curious if anyone knows the car ?
If you are a member of the DOA, you can call John Truscott and if the car
was ever a member of the DOA, he can give you the history he has on the
car.
James
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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 04:11:31 EST
From: Nontoxic55 <Nontoxic55@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Finally, I am an owner
Well i am finally a new proud owner of a 1981 DMC-12. I dont have the vin
number with me if anyone was interested. I just bought it for $2500 here
is
Las Vegas. Tomorrow i start my first day of
cleaning/repairing/dismantling.
If anyone lives in vegas or near here, could you reply or email me
personally
at nontoxic55@xxxxxxx and let me know where they get parts and/or service.
I'll need a lot of parts and advice, so plan on hearing from me soon. If
anyone has any questions/comments please feel free to reply.
Morgan Wise
New owner 81 Delorean
Las Vegas
702-247-8918
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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 97 06:46:43 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Delorean
On 12/22/97 10:40 PM, Dave Price shared these fine thoughts...
>(unless you pay a high-dollar figure for a loved D, that is.). After some
>initial debugging and repairs, you should expect something to go wrong
>fairly regulaly. If you don't have automotive expertese, or don't want to
I don't buy that. If after you do the initial debugging and repairs, you
STILL have something go wrong fairly regularly, either you didn't do the
intial debugging and reapirs properly or you didn't do all of them.
>learn and fix the problems yourself, it will be expensive to maintain. If
>you do the work yourself, the parts aren't outrageous.
>
>As far as a monthly dollar figure.. My first month will be somewhere
>around $600 for parts. But I've only owned it for a month, so this could
Because many people do not know where to get proper parts, many DeLoreans
are in a state of disrepair. Unless you get a very good car, every
DeLorean will have a few problems that should be cured - struts, relays,
coolant bottle, clutch line, maybe a fuel accumulator or pump. There's
$600 (or more) right there. Obviously you will not be replacing all these
items every month.
The person who bought the $2500 DeLorean probably could easily spend $600
per month for many months getting the car equal to a $18,000 DeLorean.
>just be a rare month. I'd anticipate those kinda months though. Probably
>wouldn't be a bad idea to stash $100 a month in a "blowout" fund. If that
>accumulates to over $1000, start using the extra to fix cosmetics... But
>most repairs fall under $1000.... Let me know if I'm off guys!
It's prudent to have money set aside for any "diasaster" -
DeLorean-related or otherwise. The best bet is to start with the best car
you can afford, IMO.
James
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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 97 06:47:00 -0000
From: DeLorean Motor Company <dmc@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Holiday Greetings from DeLorean Motor Company
Holiday Greetings fellow DeLorean fans!
Just a quick note to you all that our website goes "live" on December 22,
1997. There are still a few areas that will be updated in the coming
weeks, but we think you'll enjoy the site just the same. In January, the
"online store", complete with a searchable parts database for ordering,
will be online, too. Those of you that visited us either in Houston or
Columbus this year know how much things have changed with the acquisition
of the warehouse, and that's diverted some of our energies from the web
page.
All too often we get caught up in the hustle and bustle that accompanies
this time of year and we forget sometimes the many things for which we
have to be thankful. All of us at DMC want to thank you for the
wonderfully successful year we have had, and we look forward to working
with you all again in 1998.
Stay tuned for further updates from DeLorean Motor Company!
Stephen Wynne
DeLorean Motor Company
10804 Roark Road
Houston, Texas 77099
281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
281/568-9386 Fax
http://www.usadmc.com/
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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 08:43:24 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Delorean
Keith Hernandez? Arent you a rich baseball player or something?
Anyway... This has been discussed may times before, so you may find
some good information in the archives on the web site.
Purchasing any 15 year old car for a daily driver is a bit on the risky
side. IMHO, a 15 year old Delorean in most cases will be in better
shape than your common 15 year old clunker, but I would by no means
expect any 15 year old car to be as reliable (in general) as a new car
off the lot, or a used car less than 3 years old.
I drive my car 1000-1500 miles a year, and have spent about $1000-$1500
per year on maintaining it to my expectations. I do a lot of
preventative stuff, and maintain the cosmetics as well, so I could have
defenatley gotten away with spending much less. If I did all the work
myself, I would be spending less. If I had all the work done by someone
else, I would be spending more.
You may want to also consider you distance to the closest delorean
service center. There are some things you cant take the local guy to
get the car running quickly.
Marc
Hudson 81 wrote:
>
> Hello
>
> I am considering buying a Delorean to drive regular, and wondering
> if they break down a lot and cost a lot to keep in good running condition.
> So if you could tell me the mounthly amount yall spend to keep the
> Delorean
> running and any other tips to look at for before i buy it
> Thanks
> Keith Hernandez
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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:06:15 -0800
From: "Bob Kidd" <bkidd@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DMC Mechanic
To Whom it May Concern:
Anyone finding themselves in the Dayton Ohio area and in need of a
mechanic
to work on their DeLorean should contact Dave Leslie at (937) 453-2540. He
has done quite a bit of work on mine and I am well pleased with his work.
He
is also a real nice guy to deal with.
Bob Kidd
1981 VIN3886
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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:10:32 -0600
From: Bill Marcussen <billmarcussen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Some days I Hate My DMC
Several things to remember when thinking about the cost / reliability of
ownership of a D:
1. Age -- these cars are 15 calendar years old. While it is easy to
comprehend that use generates a need for repair and replacement of
components, the independent effects of time are less universally
understood. For instance, most people expect to have to replace tires
on a car when the tread wears down (after X thousands of miles) but many
don't appreciate that rubber hardens over time independent of wear,
resulting in old tires that should be replaced for safety and
performance considerations even though they still have good tread.
Rubber bushings, fuel lines, etc. face the same issues.
2. Limited Production -- the small number of Ds made did not provide an
adequate opportunity for identification and correction of design and
manufacturing deficiencies. Most of these weaknesses have been
addressed during the past 15 years as service upgrades but a large
number of our cars have not had these upgrades performed because the
information was not widely disseminated and many of the cars were just
stored. Since these are performance and reliability items, most
enthusiasts will want the upgrades incorporated and learn about them
only after making a purchase, thus incurring additional unanticipated
costs.
3. Parts -- most parts are available at reasonable prices. In my
opinion, those who squawk about the high cost of parts from the DeLorean
parts houses don't have current knowledge of parts cost for current
model domestic or import cars. There are a few unique, hard to come by
parts for the D that are fairly pricy, but nothing like what you face
with other low production imported sports cars.
Overall, in the "head turner" category, there is _no other_ car on the
road that provides the bang for the buck that the D does!
Bill
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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 97 02:30:44 PST
From: "Brandon S. Moody" <bsmoody@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: mystery parts
I found some mystery parts in my glove box and I was wondering if anyone
> could clue me in on what they are.. Here's a general shape:
> the right edge is supposed to be straight.. There are three pieces that
> are shaped like this, two of them are plastic and one is rubber. The
> plastic ones have pegs where the "o"s are and the rubber one has holes
> where the "o"s are. Any ideas? Thanks!
Thats the damper flap that goes inside the door vent. When you rotate the
thumb wheel, that is what pivots and controls air flow. The rubber piece
goes between the 2 plastic ones
=Brandon
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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 11:44:49 +0000
From: James Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Delorean
Hudson 81 wrote:
>
> Hello
>
> I am considering buying a Delorean to drive regular, and wondering
> if they break down a lot and cost a lot to keep in good running condition.
> So if you could tell me the mounthly amount yall spend to keep the
> Delorean running and any other tips to look at for before i buy it
> Thanks
> Keith Hernandez
What other '81 car would you buy as a "daily driver"? As many have
mentioned $15,000 is an average drive away price for a reliable
Delorean. Some are dazzled by the stainless and the gull wing doors and
don't look at the frame, tires, engine, or milage and end up with a
$15,000 project car.
If you have to depend on a single car for transportation, you don't want
an '81 "anything", especially since many parts for the Deolrean are not
available ay your local Pep Boys, and yet, many are. If you have to
wait a few days for parts delivery and can't make it to work, your boss
might not understand. Also the dings that you will pick up in the
parking lot are not repairable with Bondo unless you want to have the
car painted.
Any 15 year old car is going to need constant maintenance, and since the
Deloraean is made from "off the shelf" parts from several auto makers,
both European and North American, the failure rate is no higher than any
car of the same age.
In the last five years I've only spent about $500 on maintenance
including rebuilding the A/C compressor, rebuilding front brake calipers
and master cylinder, new thermostat, new oil pressure transmitter, new
oil pressure switch (idiot light), oil and air filters and battery, just
the routine things that you would expect from any older car. The car
only has 12,000 miles and I drive it about 200 miles a year.
Jim #6884
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