RE: [DMCForum] Discrimination: Actually DeLorean related.

["Videobob Moseley" <videobob@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I said there was 12 people, and 7 cars.
Quite a decent turn out if I do say so myself.
(photos at http://www.dfwdmc.com in the PHOTO GALLERY)

..and what "truth"?
What is it exactly that I am lying about?
Point out the portion that I have mislead on and I will post a recantation 
to correct it.
Feel free to defend yourself on it if you wish.

You can butter the story up any which way you like to make yourself feel 
better,
the bottom line is that you took the stripes that I paid $500 for to use for 
a template
for making my reproductions, took them out of my car and kept them for 
several months
and used them to make your own identical set of stripes and then sell them 
cheaper than mine.
What part of that am I missing?
Do you honestly think that I would say to you "here John, take these and 
create some
competition for me, because I want to blow $1500 for nothing on having these 
made up)
I think that you simply did not respect me enough to consider me 
"competition" and that
I simply didn't matter.
You have been around longer and have more of a name so that makes you 
entitled.
Ok, have it your way.

However, "I will say this", if you had just let water go under the bridge I 
would have forgotten
about it except you wanted to act childish and avoid my calls, then refuse 
to sell me
parts when I needed them.
If you had not done that I would have just forgot about it and let it go, 
which I sorta have
since these items are not the types of sellers that would make or break 
anyone.
However your immense greed, and lack of respect for me is what I was most 
upset about.

For some stupid reason I thought that because we had shared meals, 
conversations and even
boarding together that it made us friends.
I had spent a lot of money with you and recommended you every chance I could 
get,
for you to do something like that to me was very hurtful, it broke my heart 
to tell you the truth.
You have so many things for sale you can't keep up with your work and yet 
you had to go out
of your way to add these to your list even after I begged you to work with 
me, then you
went a step further and undercut my price by almost half forcing me to sell 
off my remaining
units at cost or below.
Your explanation for this was "Bob, it's just business".

I am only 30, maybe a little less than half your age and I have learned 
something that
you have not... that money isn't everything. Friends are everything.
The friends that I do have are worth keeping.
Even if not friends, you ruined a great business relationship with someone 
who was
a very loyal customer who also would help you any way he could if you needed 
it.
You have a lot to learn and a short time to do it.

In summation, I have never refused your phone calls or requests.
Anytime you want to talk about it you have my number, I will buy you lunch 
if you like.
I am not the type to keep enemies.

- VB

>From: "John Hervey" <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: <DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: RE: [DMCForum] Discrimination: Actually DeLorean related.
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 01:53:19 -0600
>
>Bob, I won't pleasure you in a answer over the forum, but I will say this.
>It would kill you to tell the truth.
>John Hervey
>P.S. Did see a post on the DML that you said there were 12 cars at the
>gathering. There were 7.
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Videobob Moseley [mailto:videobob@xxxxxxxxxxx]
>   Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 8:09 PM
>   To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>   Subject: RE: [DMCForum] Discrimination: Actually DeLorean related.
>
>
>   Please explain your question to me again, because I am not sure I
>   understand.
>   Are you saying that there are vendors who will refuse service to you 
>based
>   on their
>   religious or personal beliefs?
>
>   I know John Hervey has told me that he doesn't want to sell me parts
>because
>   of
>   a dissagreement we had, whcih is stupid because I spent many thousands 
>of
>   dollars
>   with the man.
>   I paid him over $400 to do a "tune up" on my car, when I picked it up I
>was
>   missing
>   my set of unused black stripes that was in the car, he told me that he
>   borrowed them
>   to "show them to a friend", about a month after I released the sale of 
>my
>   stripes
>   he offered hiis versions (ripped off from me) at a cheaper rate.
>   I told him that was not a nice thing to do to a friend.
>   He replied, "It's only business Bob".
>   So I announced that any price that John sold his stripes for, I would 
>beat
>   it.
>   John got upset with me and I replied: "It's only business John".
>   He got miffed and told me not to buy from him any more.
>   His loss.
>   I was a loyal customer, and a good friend.
>   We shared the cost of a hotel room at Pigeon Forge, and shared booths, I
>   helped him
>   load his stuff and watched his table and even helped him sell when ever 
>I
>   could.
>   He has been to my house and we have had dinner together many times.
>   His actions were uncalled for and for no reason other than greed.
>   It's just dumb, because I spent a lot of money with him and brought him
>   customers
>   and now he has ruined this relationship over nothing, because as far as 
>I
>   know he hasn't
>   sold any of his srtipes to anyone.
>   However I have sold quite a few.
>   I have offered to forgive him and forget about it.
>   I have not heard back from him about it.
>   Shame or pride, it is a fault.
>
>   I have no problem selling to anyone.
>   Even if they don't like me, not so much for the money, but maybe....just
>   maybe
>   if I provide them with good service and a good product they might see
>   another side
>   of me and change their minds.
>   Hey, I'm a nice enough guy and I think my prices are resonable in
>   consideration
>   of retail practices.
>   Sure I mark things up for a profit but that's how it works in all
>business.
>
>   So I will sell to anyone who needs help, and I will always answer the
>phone
>   and be a friend to anyone who asks.
>   I don't hold grudges like some people do.
>
>   Does this address the issue you were asking?
>
>   I think the most documented cases of DeLorean Parts Discrimination would
>be
>   with D1.
>   I have heard about this from others too.
>   Rob Grady and Don Stegar have both been accused of this in the past.
>   Rob told me that "unless I buy all of my parts from him, he would not 
>sell
>   me parts
>   and peices individually" although I have bought some of his accesories 
>off
>   his website.
>   This costed him many thousands of dollars as I relied on DMCH and they
>came
>   through big time.
>   Stephen did a great job of stealing my business away from others.
>   Stephen has taken the time to call me and address problems I am having 
>and
>   offer solutions.
>   No other vendor has ever done that....shit, half the time you can't get
>   another vendor
>   on the phone!
>
>   So I hope this answers some questions for you.
>   - VB
>
>
>
>   >From: "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas@xxxxxxx>
>   >Reply-To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>   >To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>   >Subject: [DMCForum] Discrimination: Actually DeLorean related.
>   >Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 01:42:32 -0000
>   >
>   >
>   >Overall, both Bobs here on the list brought up good, valid points.
>   >Personally, I think the
>   >headline that says "Christians" were being jailed is a cheap shot. That
>   >insinuates that these
>   >people were simply arrested because they are to be *Christians*, versus
>the
>   >truth, that
>   >these are people who were arrested for breaking the law, who happened 
>to
>   >also be
>   >*Christians*.
>   >
>   >That's like saying all my speeding tickets were forms of persecution,
>   >because I was driving
>   >a DeLorean, versus the real fact that I was breaking the law by 
>exceeding
>   >the speed limit,
>   >and happed to use a DeLorean when I did it. And this is about as far 
>into
>   >this as I'll go,
>   >based upon the agreements that have been set in place not do discuss
>   >religion or politics.
>   >
>   >Now, if you really do want to talk about about some DeLorean related
>   >problems with
>   >discrimination, we can certainly do that. And let's begin with a 
>question
>I
>   >posted to the
>   >DML last week. I asked if any of the vendors were going to promise to 
>us
>   >consumers that
>   >they would not refuse to sell anything to us, based upon any personal, 
>or
>   >political
>   >objections. And so far, not a single vendor has responded.
>   >
>   >Now when I posted this, it was directed at ALL people and companies who
>   >sell items
>   >somehow related to the DeLorean. And I included John Hervy, and you 
>Video
>   >Bob in on the
>   >list of people who sell such items, but have not heard anything back.
>   >
>   >-Robert
>   >
>   >
>   >
>
>
>
>
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