[DMCForum] Re: The Constitution Is an Illusion Part II

["Mike" <mcquinlan@xxxxxxxxxx>]

If you took $35,000 and divided it by $17.50, you get 2000 hours.  
This is 40 hours a week for 50 weeks (2 weeks for vacation).  If a 
prisoner was on the streets he wouldn't be working 24 hours a day.

--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, mike clemens <rmclemns@xxxx> wrote:
> Bob,
> 
> I question you math, but then again, I don't have
> bunch of capital letters after my name, so maybe you
> can clarify.  Using your own numbers, you say it takes
> $35,000 a year per inmate, or $17.50 an hour, this
> being "crux" of your argument.  Incarcerated people
> are under lockup 24 hours a day for 365 days a year,
> which works out to 8760 hours for a year (leap year
> not included).  If my math is correct, that works out
> to $3.99+ an hour, not the $17.50 figure you quoted. 
> Can you explain??
> 
> By the way,  "someone" (in the context you used it) is
> one word, not two.
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Mike
> --- Bob Brandys <BobB@xxxx> wrote:
> 
> > Ryan,
> > 
> > Your responses to the concept of a living wage and
> > national health care 
> > are humorous.  Unfortunately,  none of the responses
> > are based in 
> > economic fact or public health research.    
> > 
> > The United states has more than twice as many people
> > per capita in jail 
> > THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. !!
> > 
> > WHY IS THIS?  DO United STATES Citizens commit TWICE
> > as much crime as 
> > other countries?  That is highly  unlikely.
> > 
> > There are numerous published economic studies since
> > the 1920's that have 
> > shown that as you increase the economic status of
> > people with real 
> > living wage jobs CRIME DOES DOWN.    You should do
> > some reading in this 
> > area, it is very enlightening.  I studied this area
> > while getting my 
> > Masters Degree in Public Health.  DO you have one?
> > 
> > Do you have any training in the area of public
> > health and social policy. 
> >  Or do you just repeat the political BULL SHIT you
> > heard from the 
> > conservative media.  
> > 
> > The average cost of keeping some one in jail in the
> > United States is 
> > $35,000  per year.  Well, that works out to about to
> > $17.50 per hour.  
> > 
> > Well, do you think these people would have committed
> > their crimes IF 
> > THEY WERE MAKING THAT MUCH PER HOUR?
> > 
> > Actually, by jailing over 1,000,000 more people per
> > capita than any 
> > other country in the world, THE UNITED STATES HIDES
> > OVER 1% of its 
> > unemployment problem.  
> > 
> > YES,  HIDING THESE UNEMPLOYED IN JAILS IS
> > POLITICALLY A GAME.  That WE 
> > Taxpayer pay 60 BILLION dollar a year for AND GET
> > NOTHING IN RETURN.
> > 
> > DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE EFFECT WOULD BE ON OUR
> > ECONOMY IF THESE 1 
> > MILLION PEOPLE HAD $35,000 A YEAR JOBS.  IT WOULD BE
> > THE BIGGEST BOOM IN 
> > OUR ECONOMY IN 30 YEARS!!!
> > 
> > Ryan,  know anything about Macroeconomic theory. 
> > THis issue of hiding 
> > the unemployed is also discussed in text books on
> > this subject.  
> > 
> > 
> > AS FOR NATIONAL HEALTH CARE again being a PUBLIC
> > HEALTH EXPERT, I am 
> > fully informed in this area.  
> > 
> > Are you aware that the United States spends 4 times
> > as much per capita 
> > on health AS ALL OF THE OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED
> > COUNTRIES   AND HERE IS THE 
> > IMPORTANT FACT  -  WE DO NOT LIVE ANY LONGER AND WE
> > ARE NOT ANY 
> > HEALTHIER.   IN FACT, WE HAVE MORE HEART DISEASE,
> > CANCER AND DIABETES.  
> > 
> > The latest study on the Height of the US children
> > compared to European 
> > children has shown a very alarming trend.  US
> > children, for the FIRST 
> > time in over 200 years, are SHORTER than their
> > parents.   A very scary 
> > and worrisome public health trend.  On the other
> > hand,  the average 
> > height of children in Europe is still greater than
> > their parents.  The 
> > main difference is the terrible american diet  that
> > our kids consume.   
> > What does this mean for the future of our children.?
> >  Most likely more 
> > disease and a shorter life span.
> > 
> > Even though the US spends 4 times as much money per
> > person, the health 
> > care system does not cover some 40,000,000
> > americans.   So overall the 
> > actual dollars spent per insured american is even
> > higher.  What this 
> > means is that the profit made under the current
> > health care system is so 
> > great, that it is very unlikely the US will ever
> > have national health 
> > care.  
> > 
> > Here are some facts you should consider.   In
> > countries that have 
> > national health care, they have establish treatment
> > for each disease 
> > that are scientifically proven to cure those
> > diseases.    A review of 
> > the US health delivery last year, showed that only
> > 30% of the time do 
> > people in the US get the proper treatment for there
> > disease. 70% of the 
> > time the doctor gives the wrong treatment and
> > actually make the patient 
> > sicker requiring more medical expenses. (there was
> > wall Street Journal 
> > article on this) .
> > 
> > Here is another economic fact on the US health care
> > system.  25% of US 
> > health care dollars are spent on paper work.
> > processed by insurance 
> > companies and then more papers to patients for stuff
> > that was not 
> > covered and then more papers for doctors to fill out
> > and more papers for 
> > druggist to fill out etc. etc.   YES 25% of health
> > care dollars are just 
> > wasted on pushing papers.  
> > 
> > LASTLY,  EVER WORKED FOR A PHARMACEUTICAL OR MEDICAL
> > DEVICE COMPANY? 
> >  EVER SERVED ON ANY HEALTH CARE COMMITTEES IN
> > WASHINGTON .  I HAVE.
> > 
> > Why does the US spend so much on drugs.?  HERE IS
> > HOW IT WORKS.  Each 
> > drug company has a sales person that works a
> > specific territory.  the 
> > average salary of the drug sales people is $200,000
> > per year.   In 
> > addition, drug companies spend millions of dollars
> > on free seminars and 
> > trips for doctor that add 15% to the cost of all
> > drugs.
> > Adding the sales people salaries to the free trips
> > and benies for doctor 
> > adds almost 40% to the cost of every pill.
> > 
> > Here is how is works under national health care. 
> > THere is a 
> > governmental body known as a national formulary. 
> > The national formulary 
> > meets with the drug companies and asks what drugs do
> > you have that are 
> > proven to work for a specific disease.  They then
> > purchase those drugs 
> > for those diseases and make the drugs available to
> > doctors under the 
> > standard treatment protocols.  NO SALES COST.  NO
> > FREE TRIPS A savings 
> > of 40%.  There is even a bigger cost saving because
> > of the bulk purchase 
> > agreement.
> > 
> > Now the really scary part of the US health care
> > system. !!!   Over 60% 
> > of prescribed drugs in the US are for "off label
> > use".  (See WSJ 
> > article).  What does this mean?
> > It means doctors in the US are free to prescribe
> > drugs for uses THAT ARE 
> > NOT SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN TO DO ANY GOOD WHAT SO
> > EVER.  In many cases 
> > these "off label" prescription cause adverse
> > reactions and kill people. 
> >  IT is estimated that 80,000 people die in the US
> > per year from adverse 
> > reactions and improper drug prescriptions.
> > 
> > So RYAN, I would suggest you do some REAL HARD CORE
> > RESEARCH AND EDUCATE 
> > YOURSELF on the true medical facts that PUBLIC
> > HEALTH PROFESSIONALS know 
> > in this country.
> > 
> > NOT RIGHT WING, NOT LEFT WING,  JUST INFORMED AS TO
> > THE REAL FACTS.
> > 
> > Bob,  PhD, MPH, PE, CSP, CIH,
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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