I recently had a comversation across the atlantic about the term "horsepower" and decided to try and find out once and for all, the differences..... There're several "versions" of the term that need to be defined 1) First off, James Watt's original 1782 definition of the HP is the one based on the work a horse could do and works out to be 746W. Today our European friends have decided that it's actually 735W and this is often quoted as "ps" (Acronym for the german for "horse strength") and recognised as the DIN unit of Horsepower. Just to confuse us, the French call it "ch"which I'm guessing might have a little to do with the french word for horse which is cheval.... The Japanese also use the PS notation, and it's measured at the flywheel, engine running, everything connected 2) Brake Horse Power (bhp) is the one we're most familiar with. It's defined as the power outputted by the engine at the flywheel, driving nothing more than the internals of the engine - so water pump and alternator are excluded. In this case, it's James Watt's "proper" 768W. This is a measured figure. This ALSO pretty much defines the older pre-1972 definition of hp gross (SAE) horsepower in the US, except that this represented an engine running under superb ideal conditions and is the theoretical maximum for that engine 3) hp net (SAE) Horsepower (US standard today post 1972, not including the new voluntary post 2005 SAE certification) and ALSO 768W is defined as the power outputted by the engine with all engine ancillaries connected but EXCLUDING the drivetrain AND emissions controls - ie exhaust, catalytics etc. This is a measured figure We're in a wierd place in the UK because we still like our BHP figures but all the manufacturers everywhere else are working in a unit that's slightly smaller (110bhp is more powerful than 110 PS) and you can never guarantee that someone hasn't mixed up the terms (apparently the Veyron has been a headache because it -doesn't- produce 1000+ bhp). Wattage measured at the wheels is the only measurement that you can a) compare reliably with other cars and b) give you a rough idea of how fast it'll go Clear as mud, innit? Martin ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/HliolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> DOC UK Website: www.deloreans.co.uk Unsubscribe: doc-uk-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ** Unless otherwise stated, all messages posted to the group are assumed public and may be printed in the club magazine ** Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/doc-uk/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: doc-uk-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/