I'd definitely do A12 to Ipswich and A14/A140 from there (have done before). The A12 is a fast road and that'll get you most of the way there. It's kind of even-stevens which way aroudn the M25 you want to go but you save yourself a quid and any queues at Dartford if you go north section.However this will take you past most of the main arteries (M40, M1, A1 and it always gets slow around at least one of them at that time of day). Going south section is usually clearer and is 5 lanes most of the way now, plus the new section round the M3 so that's not a worry. > or is traffic better/worse >at 17:00 vs 19:00? > One hell of a lot worse at 1700. The later the better. One warning: There are only 3 services on the M25 - crazy but true. One is on the south section close to the A21, one is immediately north of the Dartford crossing, the other is at the foot of the A1. www.streetmap.co.uk is a good website for planning Martin DOC UK Website: www.deloreans.co.uk Unsubscribe: doc-uk-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ** Unless otherwise stated, all messages posted to the group are assumed public and may be printed in the club magazine ** Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/doc-uk/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: doc-uk-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/