You are not incorrect but then you are over simplifying matters.. The best tyres in the world won't help crap brakes. Yes my tyres need replacing but that just factors in to the whole braking ethos. New systems employ all sorts of computer gadgets to get them to do the job required of them. But taken down to basics there are a few things that can be done to improve them ranging from expensive through to "My bank manager would cry". For instance... I run 4 pot calipers on drilled/vented discs on the Porsche (all stock stuff). It's rated as one of the worlds best systems and wont fade even after heavy track use. Plus the discs are HUGE (surface area) and this helps in basic stopping power. I recently priced up a 6 pot (water cooled) system for the calibra with 352mm discs. Just for the front came to £1500... And to put things in perspective a basic Ceramic disk setup for the 911 would be about £12k.. but it would outlast the car! To get the DeLorean to get to these standards we'd need not just new disks (vented would be essential) but also new calipers/servos etc and some sort of intelligent way of feeding all of that to the wheels rather than simply grabbing on to them for dear life (ABS would be a nice start.. maybe a late SAAB I read would work) I'm quite aware of the Skyline's braking power.. a friend has an R33 with 600bhp - I've seen his brakes literally cooking! Had Simon's car had the later ECU as well the brakes would be even better... Hmmm... if you plan on dropping some "high horsepower" engine in the car the standard brakes will not last long. I - first hand - have had the unpleasant task of slowing a car from high speed with standard brakes (the car was not) - it's scary as hell. Like I said - I'm big on brakes. Dan Vin#5284 (wonders if retro-fitting Porker brakes would work... hehe) Martin Gutkowski <webmaster@xxxx> wrote: > Is it not fair to say that brakes can only be as good as the tyres on > the car? Edumacate me..... With my Pirelli rubber all round I cannot > lock my DeLorean's tyres up except in the wet, and then only the front - > a number of people have said how good the brakes are. > > Martin