EXACTLY.... incidentally I have as yet, a none fitted strengthening kit for Delores...who is still not bent. If you'd spent 30 years crawling around under typical British "Classic cars" trying to find some where, anywhere, that you could jack the car up without the car staring apparently firmly stuck to the ground and the jack merrily going on up "into" the car, you'd know what a weak jacking point was really like. It has been mentioned to me on several occasions recently, that some members will not now send posting because of "instant EXPERT" criticism waiting to pounce! If you assertions were something along the lines of "yes well you could do that, but I prefer this because ", etc. etc. It would be easier to swallow! As you say Martin, none of us knows everything, I certainly don't, but I've jacked up hundreds of cars over the years and have seen the damage at first hand to numerous DeLorean's where the jack was "just put under the front", (or back) catching suspension wishbones, bending metal and cracking paint. Any way, I don't want to argue about it further, you jack them where you want and so will I. Chris P SNIP>> Not meaning to keep contradicting you, Chris, but none of us can know everything. Martin Chris Parnham wrote: >Well it may be, a crumple zone doesn't mean its made of tissue paper! > >but I've been