OK so the saga continues with my idle Thanks to all the advice from Nick, I'm getting through it slowly. Tonight I took out my idle speed computer, as a trial I started the car with it out. You guessed it ..it made no difference what so ever..... Bench tested the new and old Idle speed motors. one in the car did not work.... Nor did the new one until I realised it was stuck and a gentle bit of persuasion had it working every time. will put it back in tomorrow night. ordered the chip sets Nick suggested. Well its something to do isn't it!!!! piece of mind and all that..... Lots of soldering over the weekend. I will solve this idle Cheers Paul #6463 http://www.paul.salsbury.btinternet.co.uk