On 19-10-2002 12:45, Martin Gutkowski wrote: > We have the term Jack knife doors too, but it applies to > Lambourghini's and the like. The sera has neither, and > Butterfly is a very appropriate name I reckon I misunderstood... Butterfly is very apropriate. These doors remind me of the McLaren F1 and several LeMans Porsches... I've done some extra research on the Sera; it's actually just a Toyota Paseo with fancy doors and they were only built as RHD and were never officially exported from Asia, so you rarely see them in Europe. But I DO like it! It's about the same class as what I'm looking at now for a "new" daily driver... Jan van de Wouw Thinking Different... Using a Mac... Living the Dream... Driving a DeLorean... #05141 "Dagger" since sept 2000 -------------------------------