chris you are an expert i paid 1k for the plate 235 dmc,midland registrations have a similiar number for sale for 5k. i have spent months trying to trace dmc 12 i have made loads of calls, i was told the plate was never issued,then i was told the plate was issued to the government for -defence ministry cars (dmc) the government department i spoke to said they havent got it??? if i had the plate made to look like the dmc logo {inverted c for a d} will i get stopped??? if so whats the fine steve-northampton -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com