Re: [doc] Re: [doc abandoning member]....

["Ian Foster" <ian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

dmcJohn,

Seems to me you should "put up, or shut up". If the 20Quid is too much for you then don't sponge off the rest of us ... look at the "Subject" line above, yes it says [doc]. 

There are Members of the DOC in USA, Australia, Europe, even me here in HongKong. We aren't whinging about paying for a Service we won't use ... one gets out of a Club what one is prepared to put in. I am on numerous car and motorcycle Clubs - DOC is one of the best as far as this List, the Website, the Magazine, the Club Events is concerned. You don't want to contribute, therefore you shouldn't benifit from the Service.

Byebye,       IAN (Irishman in HongKong)
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <dmcjohn@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <doc-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 9:12 PM
Subject: [doc] Re: [doc abandoning member]....


Hi Chris,
It was a simple question, if you want to make it into something else 
then go ahead.

It still seems to be that you were being serious, if you were not 
then I apologise.

I don't know what the connection is between me not getting your joke 
(?) about letting someone else drive Stewarts car, and me not joining 
your club. Did I offend you then also? 

I thought that at the time I was polite in response to your request 
for me to join the club. (This is all in message 7990 for anyone who 
could be bothered looking). 

I pointed out that by no means am I the only Irish DeLorean owner not 
to have joined, and I even complimented you guys on your magazine. I 
asked you what were the benefits of joining, but I decided not to, as 
I know for a fact I will never make it to a UK based car show, so why 
would I join? (I'm too busy most of the time, I only make it to one 
Irish show a year as it is).

If I need tech advice I pick up the phone and give Rob Grady a call. 
If I need parts I will call Rob Grady again, or Martin.

Money IS actually one of the reasons why I decided not to join. Sure, 
I'd love to be in all the clubs of areas I have lived in before. That 
would put me in the NCDMC club, the Mid-State DMC club, the EC-DOC 
club, etc. Membership dues would quickly add up, and really I would 
not be getting much out of any club and would not be able to 
participate, so the simplest answer is not to be a member of any of 
them. For what its worth the only club I'm a member of at the moment 
is the American Automobile Association of Ireland, because I think I 
might have a chance to meet up with those guys hopefully over the 
coming summer.

Is that ok with you Chris? Have I explained my reasons for not 
joining clearly enough? I can't believe you're trying to make someone 
feel bad for not joining.


I have explained before that the DeLorean with the FreIrl plate does 
not belong to me, and it is not on my website. The car, and the 
website, belong to my friend Declan from Boston (formerly Dublin). He 
has pictures of my car on his website, and when I posted the link to 
that section, I was simply showing you guys my car. I have explained 
this already in message 7539. I said sorry for the confusion and I 
said how I like to leave politics out of DeLorean conversations. I 
don't know what else you expect me to say...

I am not going to apologise for what Declan chose to have on his 
licence plate, it is his right, and I'm sure he doesn't care if he 
offended you Chris. BTW what do you have to be offended about? Is it 
uncomfortable for you to be reminded of the history between our 
countries? Ken Livingstone once commented that "Britain's treatment 
of the Irish over the past 800 years had been worse than Hitler's 
treatment of the Jews". Does this offend you? Anyway, you brought it 
up so now you have your answer, but as I said before I don't feel 
that politics of that nature need to be discussed here. 

Some people actually share my views of John DeLorean and DMC, and 
said so on the list here. Others have emailed me privately about it. 
I did not offend any of them with my comments.

Maybe you are not up to date on current affairs, but I think it is 
pretty funny that you get offended when I say that the British Press 
is corrupt (and provide evidence). Have you not heard about a certain 
British tabloid publishing faked pics of the Lancashire regiment 
abusing Iraqi POW's? Or did you only get offended because it was I 
made the comments, and you have an unreasonable dislike of me?


Best wishes,
John



--- In doc-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Chris Parnham" <secretary@xxxx> wrote:
> John,
> 
> I think I can tell why you resisted all my efforts to get you to 
join our
> Club.
> I first thought it must have been the £20 subs, but I suspect we 
are not
> quite "serious" enough for you. I know most of my boys and girls 
quite well
> and feel I can exchange a bit of harmless humour with them without 
offending
> them.
> 
> Now the photo on your website with the DeLorean,  with the "free 
IRL" number
> plate offends me and most people who have seen it.  Your recent 
comments
> about our "corrupt British press" also offend me.
> 
> Sorry for sounding off, but I like to be honest with folk.
> 
> Yours truly,
> 
> Chris Parnham
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dmcjohn@xxxx [mailto:dmcjohn@xxxx]
> Sent: 18 May 2004 15:23
> To: doc-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [doc] Re: [doc abandoning member]....
> 
> Chris,
> 
> So you are asking people here who would like to drive Stewart's car?
> Shouldn't Stewart be the only one to make this kind of offer?
> 
> John
> 
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