Re: [DML] Buyers Guide book updates...

[Peter Lucas <lucas@xxxxxxxx>]

It might be better to actually gain some understanding about the laws in question
before you make sweeping claims about them.

It might also be better to actually read and understand a post before you comment
on it, especially if you are going to label it "stupid".

I will simply ignore the ad hominem statement about "get(ting) over yourselves".


On Oct 25, 2012, at 9:00 PM, Matthew Bozievich <matthewbozievich@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Okay, seriously, what is the big deal over this making a copy of a page of
> a user's manual for someone? He's not REPRODUCING it, he's making a
> PHOTOCOPY for someone. He owns the manual, he's allowed to make personal
> copies of a page of it to show people, that is NOT copyright infringement.
> If he wanted to reproduce the manual and sell it, or make his own manual
> and include pages from it, that's a different story.
> 
> Seriously people, get over yourselves. Just making a copy of a page of a
> document you purchased and own to show privately to someone as a courtesy
> is not copyright infringement, it's not illegal, and to suggest so is to
> just plain stupid. Dan, I'll personally pay all your legal fees if you get
> sued by DMCH over this nonsense, because it's not going to happen.
> 
> Matt
> #2681
> 
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Peter Lucas <lucas@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> > Mr. DeLorean may well have been a very generous man, and I am sure he
> > claimed to own the copyrights, trademarks and other intellectual property
> > from DMC. But, so do various other people with equal plausibility.
> > Reproducing these documents surely does violate SOMEBODY's IP rights. But
> > the history of this property is so convoluted, poorly-documented, and
> > contested that nothing short of a jury trial would settle any given
> > question. That will never happen, since the aggregate financial value of
> > all of these assets is negligible compared to the cost of that kind of
> > litigation.
> >
> > As a result of this, the bottom line is that most people do what they want
> > and get away with it. In a few cases, players with the motivation,
> > resources and tenacity to make consistent claims to ownership (such as DMCH
> > for the DeLorean trademarks) can stake claims that over time become
> > defensible -- assuming no one bellies up with an actual legal challenge in
> > the mean time. But, who would bother? There is nothing wrong with
> > this--it is how trademark law works, and it works pretty well overall.
> > Copyright is a little different, since unlike trademarks, ownership of
> > copyrights is supposed to be absolute until they expire (i.e., it is not
> > "use it or loose it"). But, unless somebody decides to start writing large
> > checks to lawyers (and, one notes that DMCH seems to have refrained from
> > this in the case of the copyrights), the question will remain unresolved
> > and this current free-for-all will prevail. This, too, is probably not a
> > bad outcome, all things considered.
> >
> > --Pete Lucas
> > VIN #06703
> >
> >
> > On Oct 25, 2012, at 1:30 AM, deloreanernst@xxxxxxx wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, but Mr. DeLorean was very generous to allow reproduction of such
> > original company materials, which he held the copyright for, for the good
> > of the owners. Hopefully that tradition continues.
> > > Wayne
> > > vin 11174
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: PAUL LEGUTKI <legutki@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: dmcnews <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:48 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [DML] Re: Buyers Guide book updates...
> > >
> > > Duh, as Homer might say. Isn't that copyright infringement ??
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: djdanwilson <djdanwilson@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Sent: Mon, October 15, 2012 12:41:35 PM
> > > Subject: [DML] Re: Buyers Guide book updates...
> > >
> > > Hi Eric,
> > >
> > > My D and I are currently separated by 2,500 miles, and the manual is in
> > the
> > > glove box. The next time I see my car I will scan that page of the
> > manual and
> > > send it to you.
> > >
> > > Dan W.
> > >
> > > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Eric Pool <ericpool@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dan, can you send a out a picture of the transmission page?
> > > >
> > > > Eric
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > > On Oct 14, 2012, at 2:35 PM, djdanwilson <djdanwilson@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > James - It is white, without the black and silver cardstock cover.
> > It's also
> > >
> > > >printed on the thinner, glossy paper. I've only ever seen three '83
> > Owner's
> > > >Handbooks. I saw a perfect, unblemished example in a display case at
> > DCS in
> > > >either Gettysburg or Lexington in the museum room, and the two I own.
> > One came
> > > >in my car (in poor condition), and the other I bought from a vendor
> > table at
> > > DCS
> > > >in Gettysburg. I showed it to you there and asked if it was authentic,
> > and you
> > > >said, yes, from Consolidated. Perhaps you thought I was holding a late
> > '82
> > > >version? My manual transmission operation page is different from your
> > .pdf file
> > >
> > > >for sure. It warns of the gear grind and explains how to prevent it.
> > The next
> > > >time I know our paths will cross I'll bring one with me to show you.
> > The one
> > > >from my car came with a white dealer list I mentioned in Orlando. I'll
> > bring
> > > >that too.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dan W.
> > >
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> > --Pete Lucas
> > VIN #06703
> >
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