RE: [DML] EFI Conversion Kit

["DarkStar Media" <darkstarmedia@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

BTW, I have modeled a replacement distributor stub that has a cam sensor
instead of a dizzy...  I never made one but If you are interested in going
COP I can see if I can find the file and make one up... could take 2-3
months tho... I am moving my machines to the new shop.

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Owen
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 1:38 PM
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [DML] EFI Conversion Kit

  



http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/photos/album/397301676/pic/list

A few pics. Block, rails, brackets, installed.

--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"DarkStar Media" <darkstarmedia@...> wrote:
>
> Just out of curiosity... what "Idle air blocks" are you using? (Pic?)
> 
> Richard
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com>  
> [mailto:dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> ] 
> On Behalf Of Owen
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 12:17 PM
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [DML] EFI Conversion Kit
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Bill, it would certainly improve your credibility if you were to check 
> your facts first and converse with those individuals whom you seem to 
> wish to disparage.
> 
> Owen does not have a problem. Owen does however have purchase-ready 
> fuel rails, hold down brackets and idle air control blocks should 
> anyone in the community wish to purchase them to convert a stock car 
> to EFI. We also have a bill of materials and lots of pictures. 
> Detailed instructions are slowly but surely coming along. I am not 
> actively marketing any of this, nor as you can see, trying to promote 
> the conversion to EFI for anyone not willing to invest the necessary 
> time and energy in educating oneself. I do not try to mislead anyone 
> into believing this is "plug and play" and I have no desire to hold 
> anyone's hand. I am however fully willing to help those that wish to help
themselves. I learned from others and am trying to help the next wave.
> The ONLY reason I can get these parts for people is that we had to 
> carefully measure, cut and refine each one to make it fit. We 
> therefore have the final measurements and can save others the "joy" of 
> fabrication. We standardized it.
> 
> As Shannon eloquently pointed out, we appear to have identified an 
> issue with a supplier's product. They are currently working with us to 
> resolve the issue. As stated, MY unit is working just great and has 
> run both of the prototype cars too. As it is, both of them have been 
> driving around and perfecting their tune, but with the limitation of 
> the box losing synchronization with the distributor >3,500 RPM, it 
> cannot be considered "done". In the meantime, users can simply buy a 3.0
generation board.
> 
> And to set you straight again, MY tune fired right up on Shannon's car.
> EVERY car will require fine tuning, but one of the super nice things 
> about TunerStudio is its VE analyzer that basically allows you to 
> drive and it self tunes. That is assuming the user is both smart 
> enough and motivated enough to understand the concept of target 
> air/fuel ratios. Likewise, unless you have the ability to grasp the 
> whole issue of timing advance, stick with the conservative stock setup.
THESE tables are absolutely 100% copyable.
> 
> Your information on interpolation and table sizes is also wrong. You 
> can have 12x12 or 16x16 true enough, but YOU fully control the scale 
> on the X and Y axis. That means if I want a lot of detail between 700 
> and 2000 RPM, I can have it. You really only need a single value at 
> both 5000 and 6000 and the software interpolates between the two. So 
> at the end of the day it is not a linear table. VERY powerful.
> 
> In the vein of continuous improvement I am always tinkering with the 
> new features and trying to find even more performance from the stock 
> car. Yes, sometimes it doesn't work and I either reload the previous 
> tune or simply autotune it again. Development time as you call it, 
> ended a long, long time ago.
> 
> I haven't been exiled from the DMCtalk boards and choose to 
> communicate freely, positively and openly in those forums. I only 
> joined this board to set the story straight. Anyone that wishes to 
> respectfully learn, share or just watch is welcome over there.
> 
> Bill, I've never had a personal problem with you and in fact some of 
> your ideas have made their way into my car. If you would like to pass 
> commentary on what you think you understand of the technology you have 
> chosen not to employ yourself, so be it. Do me the civil favor of 
> leaving my name out of your running commentaries.
> 
> --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com>  
> <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> , "content22207" <brobertson@> wrote:
> >
> > Not my problem -- Owen's problem. 
> > 
> > I'm just updating EFI enthusiasts (including those who claim that 
> > one
> owner can perfect a fuel map that others simply download -- see 
> Message
> #84497) of Owen's current progress.
> > 
> > Owen gave the impression earlier this year that a simple bolt on EFI
> conversion for DeLoreans was right around the corner. Development time 
> appears to be longer now.
> > 
> > Bill Robertson
> > #5939
> > 
> > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com>  
> > <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty@> wrote:
> > >
> > > If it won't work between identical setups all that means is there 
> > > is a
> variable that you haven't accounted for yet. This whole discussion is 
> better taken over to the M/S forum where you can get more experienced 
> help specific to your problem. No one on this forum has enough 
> experience to give informed advice, this is a Delorean forum where we 
> can help you with the stock fuel system. Perhaps a forum could be set 
> up just to deal with engine conversions and engine modifications for the
Delorean.
> > > David Teitelbaum
> > > 
> > > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com>  
> > > <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "content22207" <brobertson@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That is what Owen is trying to make -- a standardized kit of 
> > > > identical
> EFI parts that can share fuel maps. Unfortunately it isn't working 
> between the two test cars he's installed it on.
> > > > 
> > > > Bill Robertson
> > > > #5939
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > > > <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com>  
> > > > <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > To download a fuel map you do have to have exactly the same 
> > > > > setup or
> it won't work. That's why a kit with everything identical to each kit 
> is so important. Short of providing a kit, a Bill of Materials would 
> do but then you give the person the chance to substitute or change 
> things. Production cars are close enough so it all works and the 
> software has some adjustablity to compensate for the minor variations 
> in each motor. If you are trying to find reasons for people to NOT 
> convert to EFI, many of them apply to changing to a carburetor. For 
> all of the effort a properly done conversion will take, IMHO it is 
> easier to try to fix the K-Jet and get it running right. As for 
> downloading a fuel map, I am sure one could be created that is wide 
> enough to get you running and then each individual could fine-tune it 
> (or not). EFI keeps improving all time. I am sure eventually this 
> could become more automated and easier to do. In the meantime the K-Jet
has been optimized to work well on the Delorean (when it is working right).
> > > > > David Teitelbaum
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > > > > <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com>  
> > > > > <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "content22207" <brobertson@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That is a problem the guys in Texas have been having: 
> > > > > > getting one
> car to start in the first place -- even with fuel maps (and even the 
> controller itself) that worked on another car. That is why I think 
> David is overly optimistic about simply downloading a fuel map.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Bil
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>







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