[DML] Re: Upgraded Front Suspension

["content22207" <brobertson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I turned mine around on purpose, to accommodate the arc of the sway bar with my less flexible LCA's (the sway bar presses forward into empty space rather than into a solid bushing), which brings up a good question: since the sway bar holds the LCA in place during braking, wouldn't all owners benefit from having their bushings turned around? That way the sway bar would be pulling into a solid bushing rather than into an empty space.

Bill Robertson
#5939


--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Rob Grady" <rob@...> wrote:
>
> Bill,
> 
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> The cut/wider side faces forward which conversely means the thinner/hinged
> part faces to the back as factory installed. In other words the split end
> actually faces forward. The vagaries of English can be frustrating.yes?
> 
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> Rob Grady
> 
> P.J. Grady Inc.
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> (631) 589-6224
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> www.PJGrady.com
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> From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> content22207
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 12:12 PM
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [DML] Re: Upgraded Front Suspension
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> Speaking of translation, by "split" does Steve mean where the flat bushing
> is cut to be folded, or does he mean the seam where the folded ends come
> together? 
> 
> Bill Robertson
> #5939
> 
> --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rob
> Grady" <rob@> wrote:
> >
> > No problem...things often get "lost in translation".
> > 
> > Rob Grady
> > P.J. Grady Inc.
> > (631) 589-6224
> > www.PJGrady.com
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf Of
> > S C
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 11:29 AM
> > To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > Subject: Re: [DML] Re: Upgraded Front Suspension
> > 
> > Rob,
> > 
> > I just wanted to correct myself from the statement that I mentioned on the
> > Fall Tour which was posted on the DML. I was wrong in saying that the way
> > the bushings are installed at your shop split towards the back (front sway
> > bar bushings). I took a look at my suspension and it is indeed installed
> > the same way as the factory pictures show. This is how I have always
> > installed them after you (Grady) showed me how to install it at your shop.
> > My memory was just reversed in thought that night. I just wanted to clear
> > that up.
> > 
> > -Steve Cosgrove
> > 
> > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Rob Grady <rob@> wrote:
> > 
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > I don't know who said that but they were mistaken as I normally leave 
> > > the bushings in the original factory position.
> > >
> > >
> > > Rob Grady
> > >
> > > P.J. Grady Inc.
> > >
> > > From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> ] On 
> > > Behalf Of
> > > content22207
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 9:15 AM
> > > To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > >
> > > Subject: [DML] Re: Upgraded Front Suspension
> > >
> > > This is why I left rubber bushings in the crumple extension mounts 
> > > (LCA end is polyurethane). I also turned them around so the meaty side 
> > > is towards the back (sway bar arc pushes forward into an empty space). 
> > > Horizontally it makes no difference which way the bushing is turned.
> > >
> > > Combined with the 45 degree shape of our sway bars (Lotus' sway bars 
> > > have a sharp 90 degree bend), I think arc of travel arguments are a Red
> > Herring.
> > >
> > > An owner at FFT'11 told me Rob Grady turns his bushings around as 
> > > normal practice even on OEM suspensions, probably to try and minimize 
> > > the LCA pulling backwards during braking.
> > >
> > > Bill Robertson
> > > #5939
> > >
> > > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> , 
> > > Marc
> > >
> > > Levy <malevy_nj@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Mike..
> > > >
> > > > So, in the Lotus application there was no obvious changes made to 
> > > > allow
> > > for the arc travel of the ARB? The movement is absorbed by the ARB
> itself?
> > > Or did they maybe use softer bushings?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Thu, 10/27/11, Michael Griese <mike.griese@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From: Michael Griese <mike.griese@>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [DML] Upgraded Front Suspension
> > > > > To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Date: Thursday, October 27, 2011, 1:22 AM Basically Lotus modified 
> > > > > the original LCA to take on a lower A arm geometry.
> > > > > They separated the fore/aft location of the LCA from the ARB by 
> > > > > adding the extra piece. The washer you see is not a collar but a 
> > > > > washer used to compress the bushing on the end of the ARB. The 
> > > > > reasons Lotus did this was the improvements in tire technologies 
> > > > > over the years, the increase in horsepower available from the 
> > > > > drivetrain and the improvements in braking. The improved grip of 
> > > > > performance tires was starting to overwhelm the suspension design.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Mike
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