Hi Lee, Keep in mind that as designed, the fans should NOT always run when the A/C is on. They should only run when the compressor clutch is activating the compressor. As a result, your cooling fans will cycle in rhythm with your A/C compressor. It's also noteworthy that once you are going about 30-35 MPH, the fans have no real function because there is already enough air coming across the condenser. As for the wiring, it's wired in a manner of "who gets there first". Either the wires from the otterstat will trip the fan relay module to turn on, or the A/C clutch wire. The wire is pink as it connects to the compressor, and black/orange by the time it connects to the fan relay in the relay compartment. There is one other thing to check: I fixed a suddenly broken A/C system for an owner at DCS last year by tracing it to a dirty/loose connection at the bulkhead connector. A failure there will drive you crazy because you take for granted that the signal is making it to the inside of the car. Reading your symptoms, I would almost bet your compressor isn't cycling either. Getting a good wiring diagram will make this a breeze for your electrical engineer friend. Jake Kamphoefner 1063 ________________________________ From: Lee <edmonson60@xxxxxxxxx> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 9:17:41 AM Subject: [DML] Re: Re-wire of fan relay for A/C "ON" condition I am pretty certain that the only PO modification was the new in-line relay to the fans, making them run 100% of the time. This was repaired by my non-color blind friend when he put the Joe Cool in for me. ( He is an electrical engineer and I am certain he got it right) Becasue I live on the coast of Oregon, I rarely turn on my air conditioner and did not realize how important it is to have the fans run to get cold air out of the vents until I drove up to Bellevue, WA to have Toby Peterson do some work last summer. It got way too toasty on the 6 hour drive home! So now with the Joe Cool installed the fans cycle when the otterstat sends a signal, but only then and not when the A/C is switched on unless the otterstat tells them to. To identify the wire from the A/C compressor that needs to be reconnected to the fan relay can I just take the "left over" wires one at a time and check them with a meter as I turn on the A/C? Lee Edmonson --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "daveswingle2" <swingle_dmc@...> wrote: > > Sinple things first. Make sure he didn't just put a jumper across the otterstat >wire in the engine compartment. > > > Dave S - DMC Midwest > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnewsYahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: dmcnews-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx dmcnews-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/