--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Cameron, Peter" <cameron@...> wrote: > > I'm always interested in learning, please give me the URL of the web site of your metals engineer. > > To me it is not a question of finding someone who does more sophisticated welding. Your guy may be the world's best welder. I question the advisability of doing any welding at all on a cryogenically annealed torsion bar, no matter how much sophistication is possessed by the guy that is staring into the blue light. > > I'm not saying Delorean torsion bars are not an issue, but rather that I see no simpler and safer way to approach this problem than just spending the money and buying something that was designed for and is proven to meet the specs of this application, rather than trying to re-engineer without a full understanding of the problem. If your metals engineer thinks he is dealing with a $40 part, then to me it seems pretty obvious that he doesn't understand the problem. > > I agree that most torsion bars, springs,... are manufactured without cryo. Cryo is expensive. Must have been some reason why DeLorean chose to go that route. Just because something looks identical to a DeLorean bar, doesn't necessarily mean it will perform the same. > > It could be that you are right, that people are making too much of this, that technology has advanced sufficiently over the past 25 years to permit making a bar without the cryo process. I know that I don't have a complete understanding of the problem. I also know that I would have to invest a lot of time, money and thoughtful research before I would be confident that I did have a proper understanding, and was in a position where I could design and build a torsion bar for this application with confidence. And I have designed and built A LOT of very sophisticated gear over the course of the past 40 years - structural engineering (bridges, buildings,..), design and building of heavy construction equipment, sophisticated tooling for major manfactures of screw machines and chuckers, helium 3 refrigerators that operated a few hundred millikelvin above absolute zero, components for superconducting magnets,.... I've managed major R&D projects with budgets of tens of millions of dollars. To me this torsion bar looks non-trivial. > > I am simply urging caution. The torion bar may not be a suspension part. But the door is pretty damn heavy, I would not want to be getting in or out of my car when it broke, even with the presence of the damping strut to help ease the fall. > > Peter Cameron > vin 3579 > > ________________________________ > > From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of jrc2905 > Sent: Mon 7/30/2007 2:00 PM > To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: [DML] Driver's side torsion bar update > > > I will post his site after he does my work, I don't want people sending him messages right now, he might get distracted. I have sent it to a couple of people who agree that if anyone can do it he is the one. I have spoken to a company who will cryogenically treat any repaired or new bars I send them. I know it is not the same but it should help the repaired bar. To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:dmcnews-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mailto:dmcnews-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/