Re: [DML] Painted VS Stainless

[R Holden <royceholden@xxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks, this is a good overall picture to a soon to be
new owner of a D.

Royce

--- therealdmcvegas <dmcvegas@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I wouldn't be so sure that because your car is
> modified that it
> wouldn't fetch as much money as a concourse vehicle.
> What you have to
> remember is just as there are different categories
> of cars within a
> marque, so are there a wide variety of car buyers as
> well.
> 
> Let me relate my own experience here. When I was
> ready to buy a
> DeLorean, I had test a few cars, and sat in even
> more. But when I sat
> in my car the first time, I fell in love with this
> particular car. And
> what made the difference was the Patina. I didn't
> care about seat
> condition or the stereo because I knew I'd be
> ripping those out. The
> car was just so comfortable to sit in, because it
> was so warm and
> inviting rather than garage cold and Amour-all
> callous. To this day my
> DeLorean is the most comfortable car I've ever sat
> in even when
> compared to other DeLoreans.
> 
> Now, am I putting down Garage Queens, and concourse
> cars? Absolutely
> NOT! What I wanted out of a car, they just didn't
> offer me. Sure there
> are people out there that will want as crisp and
> fresh of a car as
> they can get. And that's perfectly alright. And
> there will be others
> who want cars that are broken in a bit, if not able
> to customized
> "guilt-free". And that's ok too.
> 
> Stock vs Customized vs Daily Driver vs Concourse vs
> Low mileage vs
> High mileage vs Stainless vs Painted vs BTTF
> Conversion.... How much
> longer can we possibly make this list before we
> realize that none of
> these categories are actually in competition with
> one another?
> 
> Sure as an owner or potential buyer you can choose
> which category the
> car you own or want to buy fits in. That's the easy
> part. And taking
> it from there you can have those cars in those
> categories compete with
> one another for either value or awards or however.
> But no, having the
> categories themselves compete with one another isn't
> feasible. We can
> say that perhaps certain categories can demand
> higher prices than
> others certainly. But with the exception of a few
> people, money
> doesn't have as large an impact upon the
> desirability of a car as you
> might think. Ron's Modified, yellow painted D is
> proof of that. It's
> won MANY awards, if not more than some concourse
> cars. Different
> categories, sure. But if you were to put his car up
> against a
> concourse car in a people's choice award, it will
> win. So, does that
> suddenly mean that his car is more valuable than any
> restored or
> survivor cars? It depends upon what angle you're
> looking at, doesn't it?
> 
> Sure, all things being the same a modified car is
> only limited by the
> customizer's imagination. Where as a concourse car
> is a competition to
> track down and find those missing pieces needed. So
> taking the
> viewpoint of a prior post, let's analyze something:
> 
> *Modified car demands more money not because
> inherent value has
> increased, but because you're paying for the labor
> and time spent on
> buying and installing customized options. I.e.
> paint, stereo, etc.
> 
> *Concourse car demands more money not because
> inherent value has
> increased, but because you're paying for the labor
> and time spent on
> buying and installing rare original factory parts
> you're missing, or
> things for bonus points. I.e. Ashtrays, A/T shifter
> knob, correct
> carpet color, luggage & ski rack, etc.
> 
> So other than personal taste, and how much one is
> willing to spend
> being the determining factors, there really isn't
> much difference
> between our cars, is there? I like concourse, but I
> also like modified
> too. I truly do appreciate the efforts of those who
> strive so hard in
> one direction to be adhere to certain
> specifications, just as much as
> others who with the same gusto try just as hard in
> the opposite
> direction to be so unique. The more you step back
> and look at things,
> the more you realize just how alike these two
> opposites are.
> 
> Now we can argue all day and kick each other in the
> groins debating
> about what's better: a high, yet limiting standard
> of originality, or
> the freedom of customization unleashed that doesn't
> suit everyone's
> tastes and may even shock? All in the name of simply
> getting our own
> opinions out there to dictate our own personal
> tastes to say which we
> prefer when the irony of it all is that these two
> groups are
> incomparable and there is no *right* or *correct*
> answer.
> 
> Come together and enjoy each other groups' work.
> Realize that dammit,
> no matter what, you're all driving the same car
> underneath it all:
> DeLoreans.
> 
> -Robert
> vin 6585 "X"
> 
> 
> Non-DeLorean follow-up to post:
> 
> Now on a separate response, as far as collector car
> auctions, "stock"
> cars do not always fetch more money than modified
> cars. If you want to
> look at one category that proves this, take a look
> at the trend now of
> how Clone Cars are receiving higher bids than the
> originals that they
> mimic. There are a slew of reasons why, most likely
> with being able to
> enjoy the cars "guilt free" being the top one.
> 
> Shelbys & Yenkos are NOT customized cars. I'd have
> to research Yenko,
> but most likely they're in the same boat as Shelby
> as being actual Car
> Manufacturers like GM and Ford are. So you can't
> even legally count
> them as modified cars. They are in fact "Stock"
> Shelbys and Yenkos.
> 
> Fun Fact: Next time you rent a U-Haul truck, read
> the manufacturer's
> build plate. Despite saying "Ford" or "GMC" on the
> front of the
> trucks, the build plates say "Manufactured by
> U-Haul" because legally
> they are. Certain box trucks, Limousines, Hearses,
> and specialty
> Sports cars are untitled, incomplete cab and chassis
> sold of to other
> manufacturers who complete them as their final
> configurations. They
> are NOT modified vehicles. Their deviation from a
> consumer
> configuration is actually their "stock"
> configuration from the coach
> builders. THAT is their factory configuration from
> their final builder.
> 
> --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, dmc82@... wrote:
> >
> > In general "stock" collector cars bring more in
> the market place
> rather than modified cars.
> > Serious collectors and buyers like to know what
> they are getting. A
> few notable exceptions are the cars modified by
> significant
> aftermarket modifiers such as Shelby or Yenko. Once
> again people know
> what they are getting for their money. My car is
> modified and I am
> sure I could not get what I would have for it
> unmodified but I enjoy
> 
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Royce Holden
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