well, it seems that the 235/60/15 situation has changed more than I realized - so far have not been able to find anything other than RWL (Raised White Letter) versions... however, Black Side Wall is what is generally available for the 195/60/14 doing a quick search on various manufacturer's web sites, here is what I have found so far that seems to be currently manufactured: MFG / model size service sidewall BFGoodrich Radial T/A P195/60R14 85 S RWL P235/60R15 98 S RWL Cooper Radial G/T P195/60R14 85 T BLK P235/60R15 98 T RWL Firestone Firehawk INDY 500 P195/60R14 85 T BW P235/60R15 98 S RWL Dunlap G/T Qualifier P195/60R14 85 T BSW P235/60R15 98 T RWL Dayton Daytona SR w/ UNI-T P195/60R14 85 T BW P235/60R15 98 S RWL there might be some black 235's still out there in distribution (grab them while you can!), but it looks like whatever vehicle is currently using them likes the raised white letters :-( putting the white letters facing in on the rear, or using the BFG with white out on all 4 seems to be the current choices if anyone knows of other mfg. brands/models that are still being made, please let me know, or add to this list TNX, Cliff 3441, 3307, 6147, 4523 >Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:57:10 -0000, Joe wrote: >Despite what some people think, I have BFGoodrich Radial TA non white >letter tires on 2 of my cars. You can get them in the correct sizes, >and the have a wonderful ride. What more do you need? > > >-Joe O'Brien > >2524, >16634, >16851 > > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/