Thanks Bruce, You have eloquently and accurately given the subject of "DeLorean fuel" an easy to understand explanation for both the skilled and novice reader. WELL DONE! DMC Joe -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Benson [mailto:delornut@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 9:59 AM To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [DML] Re: delorean fuel The ignition process starts at the most opportune time to get the force of the explosion to drive the piston down. In the DeLorean's case the hemispherical head design, which acts to control the burn rate and direct the energy produced, along with 87 octane fuel requires the ignition burn to start at 13 degrees before top dead center. Thus, by the time the crankshaft rotates the final 13 degrees and the piston is at top dead center the optimum force is developed to drive the piston down. When a faster burn fuel mix is introduced the whole scenario can change. The optimum force of the explosion can happen too soon before top dead center. When, for example, a turbocharger is introduced into the mix the intake temps rise simply because of the exhaust element being used as a power source and the fact that temps rise as the incoming air is compressed. When you mix that with a low octane fuel you have a more volatile mix that will have an uncontrolled burn.You'll put a downward force on the piston while it still needs to get to TDC. The result is loud pinging and if you don't back off the throttle you'll soon end up with anything from cracked rings to holes in pistons. Needless to say this is all puts a lot of extra strain on the piston rods, crankshaft and related bearings. Sometimes, if carbon deposits build up in the cyl head compression is raised and the engine pings on low octane fuel. This can happen if ,for extended periods, you've used high octane fuel in an engine designed for low octane fuel. The slower burn causes the carbon build up and in a way the car has developed a dependency on high octane fuel. Bruce Benson > > I'm just curious to know how it ignites faster to the extent that it > will ignite while the piston is still on its way up. If there is > preignition then the engine has overheated valve or plug problems. If > the engine is trying to ignite fuel while the piston is still on its > way up-the engine won't run at all or kickback. -----Dani B. To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/