[DML] Re: Carburator (David T)

["content22207" <brobertson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Perhaps you meant to say "carburetion is tried and true technology"?

True, carburetion does not meet everyone's needs. But for those of
like mind (at least half a dozen on this List), it is a fool proof and
trouble free method of fuel delivery.

(Thought I explained as much in Message #48334).

I'm not interested in making my car "more advanced". I'm interested in
making it simple, reliable, and easy to maintain. For example:
- My intake manifold comes off in a minute or so to access plumbing in
the Valley of Death (popped it off and reinstalled at a gas station
once *WHILE* filling the tank). I can also reach into the Valley of
Death from above the engine. Of course clamps on the back of the water
pump are accessible with manifold still in place.
- Changing cap, rotor, plugs & wires takes well less than 30 minutes. 
- Haven't pulled it off yet, but eventual water pump replacement
should also be less than 30 minutes (not only is it fully exposed, but
my pump is held to the block by stainless studs & nuts).
- Clutch slave cylinder, heater core shutoff valve, heater core
takeoff barb, temp gauge sending unit, etc are also fully exposed for
easy replacement.
- Fuel distributor, fuel injectors, copper washers, injector boots,
banjo bolts, fuel lines, CPR, delay valve, thermal vacuum switch,
hidden vacuum lines, frequency valve, idle speed motor, idle speed
motor takeoff O ring, U pipe gaskets, spark advance cutoff solenoid,
idle speed microswitch, full throttle microswitch, thermal time
switch, cold start injector, cold start tube O ring, O2 sensor, Lambda
and idle speed ECU's, fuel accumulator, and clips on the throttle
spool connecting rod will never need replacement because they aren't
on my vehicle.
- Low PSI fuel pump IS in the tank ($12.99). A cartridge fuel filter
IS in the engine compartment ($1.99). Rubber fuel lines DO connect
them ($.99 per foot), held tight by band clamps ($.50 each). And I DO
have an air filter ($2.99).

Note also that I have none of the running issues that keep popping up
on this List:
- Engine starts on the first key turn.
- Idle speed does not fluctuate. Carb does have a fast idle cam that
predictably steps down as its spring warms up (opens the choke plate
at the same time).
- Engine vacuum itself draws fuel through the venturi, so metering
always matches throttle setting.
- I have an improved tank baffle & pickup of my own design, but they
really isn't necessary because the pump only puts out 4-6 PSI, and
carb actually draws from its own reserve in the bowls.
- Engine hasn't cut off on me yet, but I expect it to do so the first
time car flips upside down (inertia switch isn't necessary either).

You mentioned expense -- exclusive of the manifold, carburetion costs
$200+.

What I find quaint is the reverence paid to "modern" cars, especially
considering no one hangs onto one of them for more than 5 years or so.
My daily transportation are carbureted vehicles 24-28 years old. They
all start on the first key turn. They all run perfectly, even in 20
degree weather (that's what a properly functioning choke plate does
for you). I maintain each of them myself for the cost of parts, which
cost a fraction new car parts. Maintenance also takes a fraction of
the time required for new car maintenance simply because access is so
much easier.

BTW: have I ever told you I still drive in daily service the same car
I drove in high school? May be "quaint" to you, but I find it way
cool. How many people can make such a claim to longevity? I've
uploaded a pic to #5939's photo album until Dave Swingle knocks it down.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty@xxxx> wrote:
> 
> 
> All this talk about going BACKWARDS is quaint. Carbureation is OLD
> TECHNOLOGY. If anything we should be experimenting with EFI and full
> engine management. As advanced as K Jetronic was in it's time, it was
> a continuous system. The future went to pulsed injection so K-Jet is
> only a small step above carburaters anyway. Just about all automakers
> have gone to full engine management to improve driveability,
> reliablity, emmisions, and performance. Aside from the expense of
> doing it, it sounds like a winning combination. No more distributer,
> more tolerant of blended gas, no problems with extreme hot, cold,
> altitude, in short it will run like a modern car! Right now the engine
> has 3 black boxes to keep it running (ignition, Lambda, and idle), 4
> if you include voltage regulation. 5 if you have an automatic. All
> that could be put into one and all functions integrated and fully
> adjustable. It would be a monuemental job but I am sure the right
> person could do it! Now THAT would be interesting, not some carburator
> bolted onto a manifold! Just think, you could incorporate the cooling
> fans (aka Fanzilla or whatever) the door locks, remote entry, the
> wiper delay module, the interior lighting delay, and on, and on. That
> electronic dashboard now would incorporate all of these signals and
> more. With a small plasma display you could have all kinds of
> messages. Now we are talking FUTURE!!!
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757
> 
> --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Marc Levy <malevy_nj@xxxx> wrote:
> > 
> > FWIW;
> > 
> > Charles Muffley put a carb on his DeLorean using the
> > stock intake..
> > 
> > --- content22207 <brobertson@xxxx> wrote:
> >








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