I think it actually is the starter, now rolling it has absolutely no affect (must have been coincidence). Popping the clutch must turn the starter slightly, because if I give it a small push, jump in a pop the clutch, the car will start fine. By the way, I tried the Marty McFly "bash your head into the steering wheel" trick and it had absolutely no affect. Oh well. Thanks for your help! Patrick 1880 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]