Not only that, but the starter spins a little AFTER you start the car, and spinning it backwards won't turn the starter since it's not engaged. The starter engages the flywheel only under starting, otherwise the gear on the starter is completely disengaged from the flywheel and no matter how long you push the car backwards you're not going to move the starter armature. :) This is why it makes that horrible noise if you try to "Start" a car that's already running, it's the small starter gear freaking out against the edge of the flywheel. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Salsbury [mailto:paul.salsbury@xxxx] Subject: Re: [DML] Problems Starting My D Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the car starts the starter will have turned quite a few times , so rolling it back will not get it to exactly the same spot........