In a message dated 1/29/03 11:07:38 PM Central Standard Time, dherv10@xxxx writes: > Andy, If the starter solenoid is engaged or stuck in a position that there > is > a short you will get the spark and the current draw. But if it loosens and > the starter drags when trying to start, even in cold weather, then it's > replacement time. Brushes are worn and sludge has built up inside to make > it > do that. List, yes i have tried jumping the car also. no start. it only turns over, sounds about 80% the usual speed during the summer. i doubt it's dragging - the DeLorean starter is supposed to be pretty darn bullet proof, right? all fuses seem to be good, all relays are tight, the F.Valve and pump work when i jump them. is there anything behind the driver's seat where i could have knocked something loose? anything else in the relay box? i really don't think the problem is in the engine bay - again i haven't touched anything back there since it ran last month. any other ideas? I appreciate the help! Andy Soma576@xxxx 1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596 Fargo, ND 58102 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]