--- In dmcnews@xxxx, Watkins Family <watbmv@xxxx> wrote: > I know we are on a "Fram sucks" thread but, has anyone seen the new > "SURE DRAIN" product from FRAM? <SNIP> Ironicly enough, I myself have already installed one of these. But not on the DeLorean though. I've got one on my pickup truck. It does install easy. How well it drains oil, I won't know for about 2600 more miles though! After installing it, I am a bit concerned that it won't drain all of the oil out. It does after all have a bit of a lip on the inner bolt inside of the oil pan. But it shouldn't be all that bad, becase the pan itself does have the plug at the lowest point. Other than that, the long hose that it comes with looks to be a bit messy. So I'll probably just trim it down a bit. Looking at the unit, it may be possible to install onto the DeLorean oil pan. But due to the cramped space around the drain plug, it would be easier for me to just stick wth the existing plug. The most mess that I ever have when changing my oil is just a couple of drops on my gloves. So for the amount of labor it would take to connect the plug, I'd probably just use the idea of covering the crossbrace with disposable foil. Although right now, I just wipe it down with a laundered shop rag. For the D, it's not something I plan on installing. But it is a novel idea. If nothing else, you don't need to search around for the correct socket. And I imagine that it will become quite a profitable item for FRAM. I wonder how many people will end up buying a 2nd unit because they've lost the drain hose between now and their next oil change... While I personally will never again use their oil filters, I've never had a problem with anything else FRAM has made for my other vehicles like air filters, PCV valves, etc... Hopefully the Sure Drain system will be one of the items on the useful list for my other vehicles. -Robert vin 6585 "X"