Toby, It would be interesting to know (if you can tell us) what the differences are between an 8.8, 10.9 & 12.9 hardness bolt. I realize that the higher the number the harder the bolt, but do these numbers carry any units of measurement? Also with your gourmet alloy bolt (I suppose we are calling them Toby bolts now), what is the number for it? Or does it even have a number? John Hervey, I disagree about it being okay for the TABs to bend a little as they settle in place. If driving the car produces enough forces to bend the bolt once, then I would suspect that several cycles of this force would eventually break the bolt. I would rather fix something once and have it stay fixed. I can live with changing my oil on a regular basis, but not my TABs. That job was a major PITA with the larger automatic tranny in the way. When I had my alignment checked, I told the mechanic to just check the rear alignment and not try to make any adjustments. He suggested removing one shim from the driver's side, but I am reluctant to do this. For now I'm thinking that I am better off with the rear alignment slightly out than putting the TAB through another torque cycle. I am planning on upgrading to Toby bolts until I can get a stainless frame, but that is a whole nother deal. Walt Tampa, FL