You asked: "So, does gross vehicle weight include passengers? " Yes; here is the official description of GVW: Gross Vehicle Weight. Total weight of vehicle including vehicle passengers, load, etc. (GVW minus vehicle curb weight equals payload). DMC Joe DMC.tv "We're here to help you" DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp@xxxx> ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Ryan To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [DML] GVWR discrepancy --- Joshieloo@xxxx wrote: GVWR > of the two '81's were > listed at 3,180# and the '83 was listed at 3,244#. > Has anyone ever noticed this before. More > importantly, is there an > explanation as to the additional 64#'s for the '83? - - - - - - - - - One of the joys(?) of DeLorean ownership is trying to determine accurate statistics about the car. My 83 shows 3244# gross vehicle weight. The owners manual that came with my 81 shows a "curb weight w/full fuel tank" of 2743 lbs. So, does gross vehicle wieght include passengers? Two 200 lb. passengers????? Dick Ryan VIN 16867 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]