I think its only fair to stand up for d1 They have invested a lot of money in the car and have superb facilitys also when I have dealt with them they have always been good . Over the phone diagnostics is not easy and if you have the money new parts and complete new systems are always the best bet . I am however really rich and use bank notes to heat my house (NOT) If anyone from Delorean 1 is reading this I really need a new steering wheel :-) Neil in Scotland 2119 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications