To add further, Classic Car related information to this, there is one more thing that should be noted. Refineries, and powerplants can earn what are called "Smog Credits", that allow them to further pollute. And this comes from the destruction of Classic Cars. What happens is they buy a older car from you (between $400-$700 according to CA DMV), they take the HC, CO, NOX, sulfur, etc. emissions limits that are listed for a late model car's smog check, NOT the actual recorded tail pipe emissions, and issue the credit to a polluting factory. Their reasoning is that since they have taken the polluting vehicle off the road (it has to be destroyed), then the assumed emissions that said car would have *created*, are then then allowed to be expelled from a factory. These smog credits allow businesses to avoid EPA fines when then exceed maindated emissions limits, because they have "credits" to spend to avoid such heavy fines. In fact, they allow said bussiness to actually pollute more. This definetly pertains to DeLoreans, because they are now eligable for this program. http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/avrp/avrpfaq.htm Things like this apply to ALL classic car owners. Since CARB (California Air Resource Board) sets such tight restrictions on emissions, the Federal Govt., and other states will simply adopt their regulations, to save money on individual research. So things like this typicly affect us all, regardless of state, and in many cases, regardless of science. Another thing is that I know allot you folks in Cali are looking forward to is your 30 year smog exemption. And guess what, you probably won't get it! http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/9511040.htm? 1c When reading this article, please take note that "experts" that are claiming increased asthma cases in the state are not citing the case studies that actually place the blame on agricuture in the San Joaquin Valley, where these increased cases have been discovered. Antiquated diesel water pumps, and the fact that cattle in the San Joaquin Valley now out number registered motor vehicles are the cause of air pollution. Cattle alone cause high methane emissions, dust, and nasty runoff waste. And anytime the initiatives have been on the agenda for the stricter pollution controls, or penaties are scheduled to be levied, allot of aggies have been able to dodge them, with their influence. Now, like I say, I too am trying to keep this a non-political as possible (trust me, I could go far more into this). But, when you enter into the classic car hobby, you've got to be prepared for allot of things that are threatening your hobby, and the freedom of expression that it entails. "Car Culture" involves anyone who has the slightest amount of passion about their vehicles. -Robert vin 6585 "X" To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/