dmcnews-digest Friday, September 4 1998 Volume 03 : Number 410
In this issue:
DML: Low Drag Turbo
DML: RHD DeLorean sells at UK Auction
Re: DML: Goodyear NCTs on sale at tire rack & more
DML: DeLorean for sale - priced right!
DML: Performance Car magazine
Re: DML: Prototypes and Test Cars
DML: DMC for sale
DML: Re: Water Wetter
DML: Re: Goodyear NCTs on sale at tire rack & more
DML: Re: LIGHT UNDER HOOD
Re: DML: DMC for sale
DML: DMC in commercial
RE: DML: Goodyear NCTs on sale at tire rack & more
DML: wow
DML: Spin City promo
Re: DML: Prototypes and Test Cars
DML: N2O
Subject: Re: DML: 100% Pure Delorean Beef
Re: DML: Bosch fuel injection control pressure
DML: Re: DeLorean for sale - priced right!
DML: vanity plate and commercial
DML: Chicago Brit Car Show 9/13
Re: DML: Water Wetter
DML: It has arrived finally!!
Re: DML: Expo-98 in L.A
Re: DML: Electric Turbos
Re: DML: DeLorean for sale - priced right!
DML: Delorean Commercial
Re: DML: Goodyear NCTs on sale at tire rack & more
DML: Re: Bosch fuel injection control pressure
DML: DMC in Sweden
Re: DML: Delorean Commercial
DML: Denverian DeLoreans
Re: DML: DMC in Sweden
Re: DML: Denverian DeLoreans
Re: DML: Electric Turbos
DML: Alpine GT Turbo
DML: Re: Electric Turbos / high-amp alternators...
Re: DML: Alpine GT Turbo
Re: DML: Alpine GT Turbo
Re: DML: Delorean Commercial
Re: DML: Alpine GT Turbo
Re: DML: Alpine GT Turbo
DML: How build months can get out of whack with VIN's
DML: Pre-Production Car
Re: DML: Alpine GT Turbo
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:33:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bill Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Low Drag Turbo
On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, BRUCE BENSON wrote:
> the engine to a greater efficency. Actually the exhaust system is a very
> important in tuning a turbo installation. To much free flow will allow
> over boost.
Hey, speaking of that. Those of you that have low drag exhaust systems in
conjunction with some sort of turbo mod, do you have to make any
adjustments for it? I know that too free of an exhaust system can mangle
your turbo, do the Island turbos suffer from this? And why, exactly, does
overboost happen? I would think that a normal turbo adjustment would
correct it.
> to match any demand the engine has to meet. Other things such as drive
> by wire will eliminate much of the hardware linking the front suspension
> system. I guess
Yuck. :) Just what I need, electrical problems (by far the most common
problem in new automobiles) plaguing the steering and the engine and
making my car completely un-drivable, instead of just making the radio and
wipers break.
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 98 09:39:44 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: RHD DeLorean sells at UK Auction
My new issue of Sports Car Market (SCM) arrived yesterday (remember those
nice folks who so glowingly reviews the DMC-News site a few months back?)
and in the auction report for the June 25,1998 "Coys of Kensington", it
lists the following:
1982 DeLorean DMC12, S/N SCEFT26TBCD1217. Silver/grey. One of 12 RHD
DeLorean, with only 2,300 miles and like new. No reserve. Condition: 2.
SOLD AT $24,577. [Unusual RHD configuration. This result is almost enough
to buy two low miles DMC12s (of course, all DeLoreans seem to have low
miles) under ordinary circumstances.]
The VIN is missing a number, my research indiactes that is is probably
ont he end on the VIN, I know of 12178 and 12179 as RHD cars. Comments
before the prices are from the auction company, comments in brackets are
from SCM). Price was converted at 1.64USD to the pound.
James Espey
Vacationing, but lurking...
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:33:54 EDT
From: Ross33650@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Goodyear NCTs on sale at tire rack & more
steve-
NCT's are ancient tire technology. I have done the mentioned
change of wheels and tires. Front is a 15" rim with 205-50 X 15
and the rears are 16" mounting 245-50 X 16"s. the Wheels are
from HRE custom made in Calif. Their phone # 619-598-1960.
The cost of the wheels was $1931 I chose style # 505 a penta star
3 piece bolted together- looks great. For sizing, they have all offsets
in their computer.Mounted on them I put Bridgestone RE-71s.
The change is remarquable ! The turn in rate is increased and
there is morre gluons per corner.Bridgestone and Firestone have
come up with new construction technology, I have put Firestones
on wifes Eagle Vision replacing the Michelins oem. Again the
handling and response are greatly improved. Have no connection
with tire or wheels just passing on my experience.
good luck
jason
ross33650@xxxxxxx
1981 dmc
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 98 13:13:12 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DeLorean for sale - priced right!
Delorean #6776, Dec 81 build, 5-speed, grey interior.
The car runs and can be driven anywhere, but needs work on the clutch =
and exhaust. New DMC=A0catalytic converter comes with car (not =
installed). Sun baked interior, body is okay - factory luggage rack =
installed. A great project or "starter" DeLorean, priced to move! =
CALL ME for details -
James Espey
1535 N. Horne Avenue, #16
Mesa, AZ 85203
602/464-1085 (9am-2pm weekdays/weekends)
Out of town from 9/2 through 9/7.
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:35:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: illyana delorean <illyanadmc@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Performance Car magazine
hey! i just picked up the new issue of Performance Car at Borders and
there's an article on the DeLorean in it. i haven't read the article
yet, but i got the feeling that it's just about ill-fated car designs
and such (it also has a blurb on the pacer - ew!). anyways, there's a
big pic of a DeLorean, so pick it up!
I don't know if anyone already wrote this to the list, so sorry if
it's been mentioned.
<-illyana->
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:03:57 EDT
From: GullwingD@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Prototypes and Test Cars
If you check at the new edition of DuPont Registry, youll find one of the
DeLoreans used at the test track for sale!
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:04:12 -0500
From: geraldstephens@xxxxxxxx (GERALD T STEPHENS)
Subject: DML: DMC for sale
this is a note to who ever is interested that my dmc 5118 is for sale for
7000 dollars and so if you are interested let me have a note in return.
jerry stephens
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:20:32 -0400
From: "DMCJoe" <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Water Wetter
As mentioned by several other posts on the list; "don't throw your money
away on this item". If your cooling system is operating properly your "D"
should never overheat. As a side note, referring to James' post, the
product reduces the surface tension of water so if any of the seals; i.e.
water pump, hose connections, head gasket, are weak this product will
actually help create a leak. This could be very serious when involved with
a head gasket. This product may do what it claims in other cars but we
don't recommend it for the DeLorean.
Joe/DeLorean Services
- ----------
> From: Duke <at88mph@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: DeLorean Mailing List <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: DML: Water Wetter
> Date: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 11:17 AM
>
> Has anyone tried using 'Water Wetter' in their 'D and, if so, did it =
> actually make a difference??? I have a '95 T/A and alot of people =
> recommend it and I figured, hey, it might help the 'D too. You can find
=
> out some details about it at:
>
> http://www.thunderracing.com/waterwet.htm
>
>
> Later,
>
> Duke
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:28:24 -0400
From: "DMCJoe" <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Goodyear NCTs on sale at tire rack & more
Steve,
Here is the answer to both of your questions.
DO NOT CHANGE RIMS. Lotis engineering did an excellent job in calculating
the wheel and tire sizes for the DeLorean, stay with the originals.
We strongly recommend the Yokohama tires over the Goodyear's.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:36:40 -0400
From: "DMCJoe" <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: LIGHT UNDER HOOD
John,
Are you talking luggage compartment or engine compartment? Your hazard
light problem is due to a defective hazard switch.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 18:54:23 -0400
From: Wade Shapiro <shapiro3@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: DMC for sale
I am VERY interested. Could you give the details on condition, leather
color, transmission, mileage, etc. Where are you located? Thanks in
advance
for a reply.
- -Wade
GERALD T STEPHENS wrote:
> this is a note to who ever is interested that my dmc 5118 is for sale for
> 7000 dollars and so if you are interested let me have a note in return.
>
> jerry stephens
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 20:17:33 -0400
From: Wade Shapiro <shapiro3@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DMC in commercial
I was just watching ABC and there was a commercial about Michael J.
Fox's show "Spin City" moving days. To promote the move, they show the
whole cast of the show in a mock up DeLorean interior, and then show
numerous scenes of the BTTF DeLorean driving and traveling throuhg
time. They even show the instrument cluster for the 88mph part.
Michael J. Fox says something like "bear with its been a while since I
did this". Pretty neat I think :)
Wade
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:17:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gerald Ranada <granada@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: DML: Goodyear NCTs on sale at tire rack & more
Steve,
I have also been shopping for aftermarket wheels for the Delorean. As far
as I can tell from Kayo Ong and Rob Grady, they have to be customed made to
adhere to original offset specifications. I would imagine that the car
would feel a lot diffrently aside from improved handling and performance.
I was considering getting the same type of wheels Rob Grady has on his
"green machine" if there are no other reasonably priced alternatives.
Did anyone catch the latest showing of Access Hollywood? I caught a
segment of Michael J. Fox's new add about moving the showtime of Spin City
to a different night. It spoofed the scene in Back to the Future when
Marty is getting ready to catch the lighting strike on the clock tower. If
someone has a quicktime or mpeg of this commercial, it would be greatly
appreciated if they can post it on a web or ftp site. Cheers...
Gerald Ranada
VIN #4752
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 20:18:21 -0400
From: Richard Strecker <dmc1219@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: wow
We're back in the big time!!!!!
ABC is airing a commercial for the new time for "Spin City"
featuring none other than our fabulous "D".............
Catch it if you can~
CU in 2000
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 19:31:46 -0500
From: Carol Kempton <kkemp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Spin City promo
My husband just started screaming from the living room and when I went
to see what all the fuss was about I saw the coolest promo for the ABC
show "Spin City". I shows Michael J. Fox driving the DeLorean from BTTF.
He's stopped by a policeman and he says he was only going 5 miles over
the speed of light(I think that's what he said). I was so excited to see
so many shots of the car. We'll have to try to tape it next time it
runs.
Carol & Kirk Kempton
vin#5721
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:36:56 -0500
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Prototypes and Test Cars
- ----------
> From: GullwingD@xxxxxxx
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: DML: Prototypes and Test Cars
> Date: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 4:03 PM
>
> If you check at the new edition of DuPont Registry, youll find one of the
> DeLoreans used at the test track for sale!
>
There's something funny about that car. It has late model silver wheels, no
hood flap, and a fender antenna., Either the car pictured isn't the car
representent with the low vin number or the car isn't as represented.
Bruce Benson
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:45:30 EDT
From: GRBUS243@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: N2O
Hello I was thinking about putting a N2O System on my D but I dont know if
it
will blow the engine or not and if they make a N20 for your engines
Jason
P.S. N20 means Nitrous oxide
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:01:39 EDT
From: Kapps56@xxxxxxx
Subject: Subject: Re: DML: 100% Pure Delorean Beef
Why don't you guys just put on a turbo and a supercharger, then you will
have
the hp boost. That will save you the trouble of putting in headers which
would require you to take out the Cat.
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:10:47 -0700
From: "Dennis Chang" <dennis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Bosch fuel injection control pressure
You *do* want the pressure against the air inflow to be as little
as possible, and the Bosch system already allows for this.
The size and weight of the air-sensor plate and the shape of the
air funnel is such that the air flow is least inhibited from entering
the engine. Also--and most ifluential of all the mechanisms--there
is either a counterweight or spring on the other side of the control
arm's fulcrum that effectively makes the control arm "weightless".
It takes only the slightest breath of air to move the arm by itself
because of that weight. So, the problems that the fuel pressure
and the control plunger solve are:
1) There needs to be a gentle return force that will "zero" the
control arm and return it to full-closed position (when the air
sensor plate is pushed against the spring designed to catch it.
2) The control plunger's gentle force provides enough force to
smooth out the motion of the control arm. Without the force,
the control arm might jerk around, maybe due to stuff like gusts
of wind ramming themselves up the air intake, etc.
By "gentle", I mean that the fuel pressure/control plunger is
hydraulically designed to be much weaker than the force
provided by the air sensor. Note also that because the two
objects are at different radii from the fulcrum of the control arm,
there is finally a huge difference in torque on the control arm--
the air sensor with its larger radius gets a bigger vote than the
control plunger.
So, what I'm trying to say is that the effect of the control plunger
is intentionally too miniscule to affect the air inflow.
May I ask why you are curious? Are you fine-tuning your engine
for performance?
Dennis Chang.
>Since the performance of the engine is in large part determined by the
>amount of air the engine can take in (to which the appropriate amount of
>fuel is added), why would one not want a low control pressure in order to
>reduce the air-flow restriction imposed by the back pressure of the air
>flow
>sensor plate?
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:06:01 -0500
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: DeLorean for sale - priced right!
A great project or "starter" DeLorean, priced to move! =
> CALL ME for details -
>
> James Espey
> 1535 N. Horne Avenue, #16
> Mesa, AZ 85203
James,
What happened? Is this your project car? I know I have all I can do to
find time for my one DeLorean. What did you think of Mr. Kerb's assesment
of the DeLorean in the latest Sports Car Market? I really don't like being
lumped together with Bradley affectionados. I feel when we do things like
running at Road America, and in the process make a respectable showing,
that we expose the cars better attributes to car folks like those attending
the June Sprints.
Enjoy yet another vacation!
Bruce
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 22:04:36 -0400
From: guy.delor@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: vanity plate and commercial
Hello all owners and fans,
In the province of Quebec (Canada) the vanity plates
are not available. Our current licence plates are
composed of 3 digits and 3 letters.I succeeded
in finding the registration office where the DMC
series was available. I was very lucky as it was
located within only 20 miles from my home. So I went
there and finally I got the "981 DMC" plate. As you
certainly understand the 981 is for 1981 but by
coincidence it also is the manufacturing month of
my 004155 (Sept 81).
On the other subject, I have been called last week
by a local TV director who was preparing a commercial
for a guy who is a Honda dealer that now is "coming
back" with a GM dealership. The idea was that the guy
would open the door of my DMC and would say: "Hi, here
I am, coming back with GM"... Unfortunately there has
been a misunderstanding about the amount of money for
me so it is now on "the ice". But as the idea was very
funny, maybe they will come back to me later.
Would it be nice to send a copy of this eventual commercial
to the GM headquarters???
Bye now.
Guy V. Boutet
Charlesbourg (Quebec)
(car nuts???)
1981 DMC-12
1984 Eurosport
1987 Supra
1989 Scorpio
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 98 21:21:18 -0000
From: David Swingle <dswingle@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Chicago Brit Car Show 9/13
Just another reminder - Sunday September 13, 9am-4pm in Des Plaines IL at
Oakton Community College, the British Car Union hosts the 12th annual
All-British (INCLUDES DELOREANS) Car Festival. The college is located on
Golf Road (rt58) just west of I-294. A great opportunity for Chicago-area
owners and enthusiasts to get together. There are typically 10-15
Deloreans, and over 700 other British cars. The Delorean Midwest
Connection Club hosts a DMC Concours Judging. For information see
<www.qth.com/bcu>.
Dave Swingle
81 VIN 5429
DOA, DMC, DMC(Midwest)
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:23:25 -0500
From: "Paul Hamer" <phamer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Water Wetter
You are partially correct. It is for racing and it is meant to be used with
only water. The primary reason is safety. You can't run in the big races
with any antifreeze because an accident or leak would cause a slick spot and
a hazard to others. One of the other purposes of the product is to keep the
water pump and such lubricated. Not sure just how much it effects the
boiling/freezing points. Suspect it must raise the boiling some, but not
much.
My $.02 worth,
Paul Hamer
20913
>Incidentally, they do use this product for the racing car on the racing
>track.
>The designated purpose was for the racing cars that runs hot with no
>antifreeze or worrying about their cars freeze on the race track.
>
>Kayo Ong
>#05508
>Lic. 9D NY
>
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 22:09:28
From: Massimo Troiani <maxt@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: It has arrived finally!!
To all,
I have been a passive member of this list since March and now the time has
come for me to say - aaaaahhhhhhhhhh it's here! My Delorean arrived today
and it was the first time I ever drove one. What a feeling!
Please excuse me if this message does not provide any usefull info but I
just had to share my excitement.
Lastly I would like to say that this list has been immensly helpful to me
especially the threads about insurance. Reading them has saved me over $500
in premiums. Thanks to all.
Happy driving
Massimo
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 22:00:50 -0700
From: Lars-G Andersson <elge@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Expo-98 in L.A
I would give anything to join you cruising, BUT unfortunately
I dont bring my Delorean and I dont think a Plymouth Voyager
will fit in so well !
So I think I'll stay in the Bar.....
See you all in L.A // L-G
Guest Moderator's Note: A great way to meet and get acquainted with some of
your fellow enthusiasts might be to cruise with them. Often you will find
DMC folks with an unoccupied navigator's seat.
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 01:23:16 -0500
From: wolfe19@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Nerobro)
Subject: Re: DML: Electric Turbos
There is an Easy soulution to the 75 amp draw problem.... Buy a 100amp
Marine Alternator. Problem solved..... Except for the fact that Runing
this is actually a supercharger. As it takes horsepower to make more
hosepower. But This setup would work. But I would put a pair on... and
see how big the stock alternator is.... see if it could take the rest of
the 50 amps
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:09:36 EDT
From: DMCIMF@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean for sale - priced right!
I wonder how #6776 is a Dec. 81 car when my #6905 is a Nov. 81 D. car?
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:53:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cheryl Classick <jettrink@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Delorean Commercial
Did everyone see the Delorean commercial that was on last
night? I am wondering if anyone has a real commercial from
the 80's??? Where can I get video tapes outside of the one
I have from Ephesians 6:12?
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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 17:05:46 +0200
From: Mats Karlsson <ford.prefect@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Goodyear NCTs on sale at tire rack & more
Hi,
I am also interested in this commercial with Michael J Fox if anyone has
it in a computer format..
I also wonder if anyone has the original DeLorean commercials, and the
DMC story film in any computer format.. I am very interested in what
they are like...
Thanks,
Matt
(sorry dont have a vin number, but hope to get a car soon)
Gerald Ranada wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> I have also been shopping for aftermarket wheels for the Delorean. As far
> as I can tell from Kayo Ong and Rob Grady, they have to be customed made
to
> adhere to original offset specifications. I would imagine that the car
> would feel a lot diffrently aside from improved handling and performance.
> I was considering getting the same type of wheels Rob Grady has on his
> "green machine" if there are no other reasonably priced alternatives.
>
> Did anyone catch the latest showing of Access Hollywood? I caught a
> segment of Michael J. Fox's new add about moving the showtime of Spin City
> to a different night. It spoofed the scene in Back to the Future when
> Marty is getting ready to catch the lighting strike on the clock tower.
If
> someone has a quicktime or mpeg of this commercial, it would be greatly
> appreciated if they can post it on a web or ftp site. Cheers...
>
> Gerald Ranada
> VIN #4752
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 08:41:46 -0700
From: "Grimsrud, Knut S" <knut.s.grimsrud@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Bosch fuel injection control pressure
"BRUCE BENSON" <delornut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> shared these fine
thoughts on the fuel injection control pressure:
> Since the DeLorean uses mechanical injectors that require an specific
> pressure to open and produce a proper spray pattern, I don't think you
want
> to lower the system pressure. There is a small valve in the side of the
> fuel distributor, the primary pressure regulator, that can be adjusted by
> adding and removing shims, Don't mess with it unless you have the gauges
to
> tell you where you're at. I played with raising the pressure a bit but
> really didn't notice much difference in performance.
For clarification I thought I would add a little more explanation. I believe
the fuel system primary pressure is that which is applied to the injectors,
and this primary pressure is not the same as the control pressure. I think
the control pressure is used only for the control of the fuel distributor
and essentially does nothing but apply the backpressure to the airflow
sensor plate. With higher control pressure the backpressure is increased and
the amount of deflection of the airflow sensor plate is reduced which
subsequently reduces the distance the fuel meeting plunger is driven into
the fuel distributor which reduces the amount of fuel injected. A lower
control pressure reduces the backpressure on the airflow sensor plate and
allows it to deflect further resulting in an increase in the amount of fuel
injected. The control pressure is regulated by the control pressure
regulator mounted on the driver's side valve cover.
An artifact of the backpressure is that it restricts the airflow into the
engine, and my initial examination led me to the conclusion that the
restriction is quite significant. You can check this yourself very simply by
removing the air filter assembly to expose the sensor plate in the intake.
With the engine warm and running (the control pressure is reduced by the
control pressure regulator when the engine is cold in order to allow it to
run richer) simply use your finger to try to push the airflow sensor plate
downwards. You may be surprised at the amount of force you have to exert in
order to defect the plate (note that when you deflect the plate your engine
may die or sputter briefly as it will go rich).
I hope this additional information explains better what my question is and
sheds some insight into why I'm asking.
Knut
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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 18:13:49 +0200
From: Mats Karlsson <ford.prefect@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DMC in Sweden
Are there any DMC owners here living in Sweden?
I'm just curious as I have never seen a real De Lorean before, and was
wodering if anyone was planning on having a DMC meeting, so that I could
look at the real thing, and not a photo...
So if you know of a meeting, (big or small) in the Gothenburg region of
Sweden, PLEASE tell me ;)
Thanks,
Matt
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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 09:18:39 PDT
From: "Joe Sorrentino" <joeytino@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Delorean Commercial
I think Cheryl is referring to the Spin City promo poking fun at Micheal
J. Fox' BTTF days that ran during Dharma & Greg. The entire cast was
crammed into it to promote the shows new time slot on Tuesdays. It was
extremely well made, and worth catching. It was obvious, though that the
car used was not from the movie. Anybody on the list the owner of it, or
know whose it was?
Best regards
Joe Sorrentino
>Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:53:12 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Cheryl Classick <jettrink@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: DML: Delorean Commercial
>Reply-To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>Did everyone see the Delorean commercial that was on last
>night? I am wondering if anyone has a real commercial from
>the 80's??? Where can I get video tapes outside of the one
>I have from Ephesians 6:12?
>
>
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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 10:27:16 -0600
From: Gremlin <gremlin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Denverian DeLoreans
MODERATOR'S NOTE: Questions about "any DMC owners in Whoville" are best
addressed by checking the DMC owners directory published by the DeLorean
Mailing List. If you don't have one, you can get one by filling in the form
at the www.dmcnews.com website.
Knut Grimsrud
Guest Moderator
Hello...
There was a third-party sighting of a DeLorean on Denver's west end a day or
two ago. I wasn't there, so I haven't got any specifics; but I'm wondering
if the owner is a member of this list. Come to think of it, I'm also
wondering if anyone else on the list is a resident of Denver Metro.
Have fun...
- --
Gremlin
gremlin@xxxxxxxxxxx
http://gremlin.net
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MODERATOR'S NOTE: Questions about "any DMC owners in Whoville" are best
addressed by checking the DMC owners directory published by the DeLorean
Mailing List. If you don't have one, you can get one by filling in the form
at the www.dmcnews.com website.
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:57:32 -0700
From: raddad@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: DMC in Sweden
>Are there any DMC owners here living in Sweden?
- ------------------------------------
Matt
I believe there are about25 DeLoreans in Sweden. Contact
andreas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
He has one and should be able to point you to others.
Dick Ryan
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:24:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bill Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Denverian DeLoreans
On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Gremlin wrote:
> There was a third-party sighting of a DeLorean on Denver's west end a
> day or two ago. I wasn't there, so I haven't got any specifics; but I'm
I saw a DeLorean both this weekend and last weekend, so maybe someone in
Denver is enjoying their car a little more than usual, since other than
that I hadn't ever seen one except at shows. In neither case did I manage
to see the license plate or the driver, but this weekend it was on highway
6, last weekend, on Kipling Parkway.
The trouble with the owner's directory, of course, is that you have to
actually have a D before you can read it...
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:34:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bill Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Electric Turbos
On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Nerobro wrote:
> There is an Easy soulution to the 75 amp draw problem.... Buy a 100amp
> Marine Alternator. Problem solved..... Except for the fact that Runing
Actually, I was mistaken. The motorcycle version draws 75 amps, the
automobile version draws 95 amps. :\ It's a lot of amps in any case,
as much as the whole rest of the electrical system put together. You'd
need almost 200 amps to power the charger without loss to the battery -
you'd have to have two of those 100 amp alternators. :) Besides, the
charger is only designed to run for about 3 seconds at a time anyway - to
help you accelerate to pass someone, or to start from a stop.
> this is actually a supercharger. As it takes horsepower to make more
Not really - a regular supercharger runs off a belt drive, whereas this
drains the battery. The alternator has to work harder to recharge the
battery (and to try to help with the turbo), but in no case (turbo,
supercharger, alternator, whatever) is the drag more than 2 or 3 HP, so
don't worry about it. :)
I looked more closely at their web page, and it seems to indicate that
they have models that are intended to be used in conjunction with a large
single turbo, but it seems to be designed for diesel engines. I don't
suppose there would be too much difference - maybe they figured only
diesel engines would want one in conjunction with a normal turbo, since
they're so inefficient at low RPM. They even have a model to be used with
buses and semi-trailers! :)
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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 02:35:02 +0100
From: "Martin Gutkowski (UK)" <martin.is@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Alpine GT Turbo
I rang a Renault dealer and although he was supposed to ring back with a
definite price, he guestimated the cost of a turbo for the Renault
Alpine to be around 800 pounds.
The Alpine uses the 2.5l version of the PRV-6 and the turbo has been
successfully transplanted into a DeLorean.
Martin
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:26:23 -0700
From: "Dave Price" <davep@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Electric Turbos / high-amp alternators...
>
>> There is an Easy soulution to the 75 amp draw problem.... Buy a 100amp
>> Marine Alternator. Problem solved..... Except for the fact that Runing
>
>Actually, I was mistaken. The motorcycle version draws 75 amps, the
>automobile version draws 95 amps. :\ It's a lot of amps in any case,
On a side note, all of this seems relatively feasible with a high-output
alternator. Changing the alternator and/or adding an additional one
seems like quite a chore. However, I was surfing around a few months
ago, and happened across a business that can rebuild an older
alternator and increase it's efficiency substantially (they claimed they
could rebuild a 75-amp alternator to a 200-amp...) Don't know if it's
really possible, but sounded like they had some knowledge about it...
They were in the market of ultra-high powered stereos and those
stupid cars with 50 batteries in the trunk powering a "jumping" setup.
Anyone heard of rebuilding/improving an older alternator?
- --Dave
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:41:23 EDT
From: JSteuben@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Alpine GT Turbo
Hi Martin,
Please tell us what one gets for approx. 800lbs. Turbo type, plumbing, ecu
reprogram, whatever? It sounds very good. Any problems shipping toUSA?
Thanks, Joe
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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 22:13:10 +0200
From: Mats Karlsson <ford.prefect@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Alpine GT Turbo
But if the Turbo is designed for a 2.5 l engine, wont the inclrease in
performance not be as great, as the engine is 2.8l?
Is there no Turbo designed for the 2.8l engine?
BTW, Those of you who have twin turbos, what turbos do you use? How
great is the improvement?
This q, probably sounds a little silly, but I'm just kinda new to this
list..
/matt
Martin Gutkowski (UK) wrote:
>
> I rang a Renault dealer and although he was supposed to ring back with a
> definite price, he guestimated the cost of a turbo for the Renault
> Alpine to be around 800 pounds.
>
> The Alpine uses the 2.5l version of the PRV-6 and the turbo has been
> successfully transplanted into a DeLorean.
>
> Martin
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:04:54 EDT
From: Elgocho@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Delorean Commercial
MODERATOR'S NOTE: I have killed the thread regarding the Spin City
commercial until and unless there is some new, relevant, and interesting
information on the topic. I in no way intend to offend the numerous "me too"
posts that I have dropped thus far and will surely continue to drop.
If you go to the BTTF Fan Club at <A HREF="" href="http://www.bttf.com/video/">http://www.bttf.com/video/">=
Back
to the Future=99 Multimedia Gallery of Video</A> you can download a De
commercial.
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:06:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bill Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Alpine GT Turbo
On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Mats Karlsson wrote:
> But if the Turbo is designed for a 2.5 l engine, wont the inclrease in
> performance not be as great, as the engine is 2.8l?
Not necessarily. Turbos are definitely one of those things where size
doesn't matter. The key factor with a turbo is how much air it stuffs
into the engine, and that isn't dependent on the size of the engine, but
rather, on the sort of intake system on the engine and the efficiency of
the turbo. Now, most if not all turbos are adjustable, and you can
control just how much air the turbo blows down the engine. If you have a
turbo designed for one engine, and put it on a different one, then these
adjustments will not have the same effect. But since you should always
check an adjusted turbo with a vacuum gauge anyway to see just how much
air it's blowing, no worries. :)
The DeLorean PRV6 engine does not accept large boost levels (5-6 lbs of
boost is recommended), and you will reach the limit of the engine long
before you reach the limit of the turbocharger.
> Is there no Turbo designed for the 2.8l engine?
>
> BTW, Those of you who have twin turbos, what turbos do you use? How
> great is the improvement?
Island makes a twin-turbo setup custom-designed specifically for the
DeLorean, and the improvement is reportedly about 30-40 HP. Some people
have claimed that it improved them from 140HP to 200HP (and in fact Island
used to claim this themselves), but this is generally unsubstantiated and
Island doesn't make that claim anymore. There is one car which came from
the factory with twin turbos as a prototype, but no one seems to know
where it is. The 1984 model was scheduled to have twin turbo as a factory
option.
If you want to make some additional modifications such as low-drag
mufflers, removing the cats, straightening or enlarging the exhaust pipes,
or whatever, you might be able to approach 200HP. These sorts of things
may or may not be legal where you live (or desirable - I hate loud cars).
The idea behind twin-turbos, BTW, is not to increase the amount of boost
produced, but to decrease turbolag. The two smaller turbos spin up faster
than a single large one, thereby reducing lag. I personally don't like
twin turbos because they cost more per HP than a single turbo and are
harder to install and adjust. Oh, and twin-turbo sounds better than just
plain old turbocharged. :}
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:35:42 -0500
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Alpine GT Turbo
> Not necessarily. Turbos are definitely one of those things where size
> doesn't matter. The key factor with a turbo is how much air it stuffs
> into the engine, and that isn't dependent on the size of the engine, but
> rather, on the sort of intake system on the engine and the efficiency of
> the turbo. >
Turbos come with impellers and housing in an infinate number of
configurations. Just any turbo will not work well with just any engine.
Things such as nozzel size, vane configuration, and so on work to make a
turbo accomplish a specfic task. Plotting a turbos efficiency when
compaired to a specific engines torque and horse power peak is best left to
someone with experiance. The variety of available configurations is too
vast for trial and error. When I bought my turbo I call Turbo City as they
had tons of background and they, after discussing my engines specifications
and my driving expectations, supplied me with a Rajay turbo and wastegate
that worked out quite well. There is a lot more science involved here than
simply blowing air into the engine.
Bruce Benson
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:02:57 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: How build months can get out of whack with VIN's
On 9/3/98 2:08 PM, DMCIMF@xxxxxxx shared these fine thoughts...
>I wonder how #6776 is a Dec. 81 car when my #6905 is a Nov. 81 D. car?
This is a hot topic of discussion right now as we delve deeper ino the
DeLorean produciton chronology. I saw a car in Cincinnati that was #00842
with a Aug 81 build date. While in Ireland last summer we discovered a
small cache of telexes from when the factory was still running. One of
them discussed certain cars that had been pulled off the line prior to
shipment to the states for various quality/emission problems. When the
problems were rectified, a new build plate was made with the same VIN and
current month. We're trying to confirm this, but this is the best inof we
have to go off of.
If your VIN doesn't "fit" in the chronology:
http://www.dmcnews.com/chronolgy.html
I'd like to have a pencil rubbing of the VIN plate for my files.
James Espey
P.O. Box 4833
Mesa, AZ 85211-4833
602/464-1085
602/464-5352 Fax
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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 21:40:14 -0400
From: Wade Shapiro <shapiro3@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Pre-Production Car
When I was looking at the pictures of the pre-production D at the
Barrett-Jackson auction, it said the car was sold to someone for
$14,000, but then on the main DMC-News page it specifically says in bold
that it did "not" sell. Which is the correct story? If it didn't sell,
where is this car today? Thanks for the info.
- -Wade
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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 21:33:27 -0500
From: Jordan <jordang@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Alpine GT Turbo
Bill Wilson wrote:
> . There is one car which came from
> the factory with twin turbos as a prototype, but no one seems to know
> where it is. The 1984 model was scheduled to have twin turbo as a factory
> option.
>
That car was at the Cinncinati meeting. It was the dark red, very
beartiful
car which was parked a few down the hill from Rod Grady's green car. The
owners were a father and son who bought the car about 1984 from John
Delorean's son. It was very much like the kit Island turbos but it had a
different oil system. It had two large bottles of oil which were mounted
high on each side of the engine compartment. They said that the the car
was
painted red as a protype and the paint was still perfect.
Jordan Gary vin 0794
MODERATOR'S NOTE: I believe Steve Wynne at DMC (Houston) has the original
Legend turbo prototype.
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