Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at: www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderator@xxxxxxxxxxx ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 3 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. DMC engine upgrades From: "Jack & Virginia Stiefel" <stiefel@xxxxxxxxxxx> 2. Re: Fan Fail Relay From: "John Hervey" <dherv10@xxxxxxx> 3. Re:Was Delorean Clock Now Undocumented Changes From: "jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx " <jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 20:32:14 -0500 From: "Jack & Virginia Stiefel" <stiefel@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: DMC engine upgrades I am looking into the DMC Houston engine upgrades and remember something about a 2nd and 3rd stage of the upgrades coming down the pike. Does anyone remember what they were and what the timeline was for these upgrades? Jack & Virginia Stiefel '81 DeLorean Vin 03461 August 1981 Build NYS Lic: 1981 DMC '97 Red BMW Z3 Convertible 2.8 6 Cyl -- not the baby 4 '99 Ford Expedition Eddie Bauer Edition '01 Black PT Cruiser Limited w/ Flames Visit us at www.sacketmansion.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 02:51:24 -0000 From: "John Hervey" <dherv10@xxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Fan Fail Relay Jay, You must have a fan fail relay or a jumper or (The Fan Fail Fix ) to operate the cooling fans. If you will look at my web site you will see two different kinds. Someone may have wired them direct to operate all the time when the ignition is turned on. If so, this will put an undue load on the system and wear out the fans sooner and they may not be fused properly. If you have any cooling fan problems let me know. John Hervey, Dallas www.specialtauto.com --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxx, badgeman46@xxxx wrote: > Well, I got the car to start, everything is OK so far, except > that I need starting fluid when it is hot. > The Fan Fail relay is missing completely from the relay > compartment. What exactly is its function and can I drive without it? > -Jay ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 04:44:43 -0000 From: "jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx " <jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re:Was Delorean Clock Now Undocumented Changes I believe that many cars have undocumented and or incorrect running parts changes for many reasons the biggest being that all cars went through the Q A C centers for finishing, repairs, cleaning etc. In their haste to get the cars ready for shipment to the dealers the centers didn't care about what was or wasn't correct per vin as far as running changes were concerned. They probably used whatever was on hand to get the cars done and out. I have never seen or even heard of any documentation of the process. I know that James Espey will disagree with this but the Q A C centers didn't have time or care about "correctness". Also the dealers when they did any work on the cars either as customer work or warranty work could have unkowingly installed "wrong" parts. One area that is particularly noticeable is early cars that should have a gas flap. They probably replaced a damaged hood and couldn't get the earlier hood so the car wound up without a gas flap. Another area is the antennae, since there are 3 variations it is hard to know just when changes occured especially when dealers were encouraged to make some changes based on customer complaints. Since the documentation is admittidly not accurate and not car specific there should be some lattitude as far as when changes occurred unless we do alot more research and polling of cars. The problem is most important to people interested in competing in concours and their car falls within the running changes. They may feel especially picked on as even if they are the origional owner and they got the car that way from the dealer, their car is "incorrect". They are left with the choice of "fixing" the car to make it "correct" or losing points. The people with "83" cars are at the most risk as many were "put togethers" using any parts on hand to finish production without regard to "correctness" so they wound up with combinations of carpet, seat colors etc. This is a fertile area for alot more research and documentation. David Teitelbaum vin 1075 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________
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