Re: [DML] Forgot to Mention

[stevedmc@xxxxxxxxx]

I think Bills point is that some people don't like the suspension the way it we designed an do not want to track and feel every little bump on the road.  

I you want your car to track them leave it alone.  If you don't want it to track then consider upgrading to Spec .01 steering.  

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Steve Rice
#16510


On Jun 14, 2012, at 4:32 PM, Michael Griese <mike.griese@xxxxxxx> wrote:

> My point is, the DeLorean steering and suspension is built the way it is for a 
> reason.  It is not a case of "bad design".  
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> Mike
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> Myself and others who are interested in this project do not drive LeMans. We do 
> not push our tires' contact path to their limit on a regular basis. Rather, we 
> GT cruise over what is left of America's highway infrastructure. Speaking only 
> for myself: I do not want to feel washboard pavement, tractor tire ruts, 
> potholes, patchwork repairs, etc transmitted through my steering wheel. In the 
> current state of our highway system, a little numbness would be appreciated. 
> Even my F150's with rudimentary I beam suspensions are smoother to steer over 
> bad pavement than my DeLorean.
> 
> Bill Robertson
> #5939
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> --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Michael Griese <mike.griese@...> wrote:
>> 
>> Lotus didn't use rag joints in the steering on any of their cars except for 
>> maybe the Evora - I haven't looked at that model in sufficient detail to know 
>> but I would be surprised if they did. Rag joints numb the steering response and 
>> 
>> feel.
>> 
>> A properly maintained steering system (which includes the front suspension) 
>> should not have regular vibrations.  If it does, fix that problem first before 
> 
>> deciding if additional dampening is desired.  What the Lotus design provides is 
>> 
>> very tactile >vibration free< feedback from the contact patch of the front 
>> wheels to the drivers hands.  That is very important for drivers who like to 
>> track their cars, and a significant number of Lotus owners do just that. 
>> Knowing when the tire is going over bumps, seams, uneven or loose pavement is 
>> good to know when you are pushing the contact patch to its limit.  Rag joints 
>> also make it impossible to feel the tire tread moving around, which makes it 
>> hard to know when the contact patch is at the limit.
>> 
>> Personally I prefer manual steering cars with no rag joints.  Cars like our BMW 
>> 
>> 3 series or even the Boxster feel numb and disconnected from the road compared 
> 
>> to my Elise, Esprit and DeLorean.  Most of that is due to the power steering 
>> systems.  Our pickup is just hopeless.
>> 
>> --
>> Mike
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