Walt! No offense, but... How can you claim to know what "most of us" expect? Only because you had 13 positive replies from over 1000 DML contributers? Could it be that "most of us" don't care about "your" discussion and therefore didn't reply? >But what we have now is > instead an oppressive regime. Come on... you are exaggerating. > The censors take pride in controlling the "signal-to-noise ratio" of the > DML. I am very glad that they do so. If they didn't, I WOULD QUIT. The "noise level" would be to high for me. I don't need discussions about a stretch limo or a front engine. It is o.k. to send a link to a homepage containing these infos (I really was impressed by the front engine setup) but I don't whish a lenghty discussion about it, because I (and surely "most of us") never will be installing a front engine. And don't say, I can easily erase these messages. Often enough the subject lines are wrong or meaningless. > If the censors of the DML can agree to the 5 suggestions above, then great. > Otherwise the rest of us are starting a new group that operates by these > rules. You are free to do so! Again: no offense, but I think you belong to a minority. Ralf Germany P.S.: You could start a poll to see, what "most of us" want.