Could any of this be attributable to Yahoo itself? I've been a member of various "groups" since they were "clubs" ages ago (*THAT* was a rough transition). Moderators are repeatedly apologizing for Yahoo restrictions, rule changes, etc. Apparently space limitation is a major concern -- and goodness knows all these messages chew up plenty of that. Perhaps that explains some deletions. I've sent a few posts that were never updated, but the moderator eMailed me direct explaining why. Didn't follow the oil threads because I've discovered years ago that everyone has their own preconceived notions of viscosity (myself included). IMHO weight is not the issue *REGULAR CHANGES ARE*. Oil isn't that expensive -- don't wait until it turns to tar. Bill Robertson #5939 >For me the last straw was > a deleted .gif to the photos section along with the accumulated frustration > of having other well intentioned posts censored into oblivion with no > accountability from the perpetrator.