dmcnews-digest Wednesday, September 9 1998 Volume 03 : Number 412
In this issue:
DML: Performance Upgrade
DML: West Tennessee DeLorean owners?
DML: Re: Joe-DMC Services
Re: Re: DML: Magazine.
DML: Weekend..
Re: DML: Interior Colors?
Re: DML: Insurance
Re: DML: Cooling Fans
DML: Banged up D
DML: Calipers
DML: Re: Wiring Diagram for CRAIG Radio wanted
DML: Giorgio Giugiaro
DML: Help with power windows
DML: Labor Day Troubles
Re: DML: Interior Colors?
Re: DML: Giorgio Giugiaro
Re: DML: Re: Wiring Diagram for CRAIG Radio wanted
DML: Vin # 5102 for sale
DML: Buying a disassembled D. What to look for?
DML: Wheels & Tires
DML: Re: Help with power windows
Re: DML: Alpine GT Turbo
Re: DML: Interior Colors?
Re: DML: Banged up D
DML: Re: Re: Help with power windows
Re: DML: Calipers
DML: D's for sale and shimmy
DML: Alice's R-DMC98
Re: DML: Help with power windows
DML: Re: Help with power windows
DML: Seat Removal (Was: Help with power windows)
Re: DML: yet another DeLorean appearance.
Re: DML: Insurance
DML: Fwd: DeLorean PARTS FOR SALE
Re: DML: Wheels & Tires
Re: DML: Interior Colors?
Re: DML: Help with power windows
DML: Grand Delusions
DML: Insurance Database (second call for data)
Re: DML: Wheels & Tires
Re: DML: Alpine GT Turbo
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:04:42 -0600 (MDT)
From: raddad@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Performance Upgrade
I contacted IPD as suggested in a previous post and, as already mentioned,
they do not have any performance products for the PRV V6. However, they
did give me a line on an independent facility run by a guy who "likes" the
V6 (their words). After I contact him, I'll update everybody.
Dick Ryan
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 21:43:17 EDT
From: JCox4001@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: West Tennessee DeLorean owners?
Just curious, Any Delorean owners in the Memphis area? I just recently
picked
up VIN# 5705 while down in Florida on a business trip. I have to give the
"list" alot of credit for my purchase. I wasnt sure I really wanted to get
involved with an out of production Exotic, but stumbling across you guys,
helped me make the decision. It is really amazing by todays standards, to
see
a group of folks getting along, and helping each other. I'm proud to be
associated with you.
Jeff Cox
JCox4001@xxxxxxx
MODERATOR'S NOTE: The owners directory is one good way to find out about
owners in and around your area. Sign up for the directory at www.dmcnews.com
and you get a copy of the next release.
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Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 08:29:17 -0400
From: "Joel Matos" <calypso@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Joe-DMC Services
Cecil if you can email the instructions of how to conect
the alarm i will apreciate
Joel Matos
Puerto Rico
vin 3679
- -----Original Message-----
From: C. Longwisch <CL1954@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: DMC News <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Friday, May 29, 1998 3:33 AM
Subject: DML: Joe-DMC Services
>A note of public thanks for your help on the wiring of the door locks.
>You
>definitely are an asset to the forum. If you are going to be in Cinci I
>owe
>you a drink! The auto door lock module on the alarm system works great.
>$109.00 at Sears ( Audiovox brand) and I have an alarm and keyless entry.
>Thanks again
>
>Cecil Longwisch
>DMC1982
>VIN# 10663
>
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Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 10:42:30 EDT
From: NOSLACK686@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Re: DML: Magazine.
I have this Gold series book also and have found that this is what all you
guys would be looking for. It is a compilation of a lot of articles from
1977
to 95 by major car mags and smaller not-so-known mags. It is very thorough.
So
much so that a lot of the earlier articles about the time when the car came
out are a bit redundant. It is published in England by Brookland Books but
the
articles are from both sides of the Atlantic.
Scott
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Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 13:23:18 +0200
From: Mats Karlsson <ford.prefect@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Weekend..
Wow,
This list really dies on the weekends.. Or there just something wrong?
/Matt
MODERATOR'S NOTE: I've been a little tied up with a local car show and other
holiday obligations -- sorry about the minor hitch in the moderation
service.
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Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 09:13:09 -0500
From: Thomas Bohmier <Bohmier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Interior Colors?
MODERATOR'S NOTE: When in doubt, please assume no ill intent by your fellow
subscribers. I'm sure Mr. Levy had no intent to ruffle anyone's feathers
with his post.
Mr. Levy:
It is an insult to those of us who own 1983 DMC's. Mine was not "slapped"
together and is in fact one of, if not the tightest DMC's that I have ever
owned or drived. There was also alot of "upgrades" done in the later models.
I would be very selective with your words, unless you intend to upset
others.
Thomas Bohmier
Dallas, Texas
Marc A Levy wrote:
> Story I heard was that most of the 83's were slapped together from the
> leftover parts... Guess they either ran out of gray seats, or black
> interior.
>
> This statement has no basis in fact, just what I heard.
>
> Jason Perkins wrote:
> >
> > My 83 D has grey cloth interior and black leather seats. I thought the
> > color
> > choices where all black or all grey. Is there a vin# that seperates the
> > two? I have looked through the past archives, and have found no
relevant
> > information on split colors. Anybody have an answer to this?
> > JAson Perkins
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Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 09:18:19 -0500
From: Thomas Bohmier <Bohmier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Insurance
Folks:
I feel that I am paying more than I need to for insurance.
How is that report coming along?
My car is rated for City-Pleasure and costs about $800.00 annually.
Who are some of the competitive insurance carriers?
Thomas Bohmier
Moore wrote:
> I agree. I pay $311.00 every six months for full coverage and etc.
> I've been told that I can get it cheaper if designate my "D" as a
> collector auto and only drive it Miles a year. Haven't inquired about
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Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 09:41:14 -0500
From: Thomas Bohmier <Bohmier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Cooling Fans
Folks:
I do not remember anyone responding to my request for input.
1 - I need the Bosch model number for replacement fan motor.
2 - Input on any trick for removing the fan shroud assembly and radiator
hose, if necessary.
Thomas Bohmier
bohmier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Thomas Bohmier wrote:
> Couple of questions regarding the cooling fans:
>
> My cooling fan "fuse kit" melted. As a result, I started checking
> everything after replacing the fuse, and discovered that my right
> cooling fans is inoperative.
>
> 1 - What is the Bosch model number to replace the motor unit?
>
> 2 - Is there any tricks to get the six bolts and support bracket
> disassembled and reassembled on the fan(s) scroud system?
>
> 3 - Do I need to disconnect the passenger side radiator feed line/hose?
>
> Any tricks or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I searched the
> DMC news database base, but found nothing. It has been 12 years since I
> replaced one and the details are fuzzy in my both head and in the
> manual.
>
> Again... Who knows the Bosch part number or cross reference number and
> any suggestions or tricks. My car start running hot, in traffic, in the
> 100 degree Dallas heat, since only one fan is fully operational.
> >
> I hear that there are a few owners in the Dallas/Fort Worth area who
> may be on this list. I would enjoy the opportunity to hear from y'all,
> participate in some of the local shows, or just get together for a drive
> and or social.
>
> Thomas W. Bohmier
> Dallas, Texas
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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 04:01:25 +0100
From: "Martin Gutkowski (UK)" <martin.is@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Banged up D
I would much appreciate knowledgable people's view of this car as a
potential purchase. You can't see much from these pics, but suffice to
say the interior's a wreck and every panel other than bonnet and roof
has some sort of dent. No serious accidents. ALL mechanicals and frame
are fine. It has no louvers. Asking price, 5000 pounds (about $8000).
http://delorean.connect-2.co.uk/join.htm
Thanks,
Martin
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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 00:11:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: WINGER2@xxxxxxxxx (TRENT BAILEY)
Subject: DML: Calipers
I am looking into having my calipers chromed, or powder coated. Is there
any reason why the two halves of the calipers should not be took apart.
Trent Bailey
email: winger2@xxxxxxxxx
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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 11:14:08 -0400
From: "DMCJoe" <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Wiring Diagram for CRAIG Radio wanted
BETTYCAT,
The factory never made any information available for the radio. I would
suggest you pull the radio and bring it to a reliable auto radio repair
facility, they may have access to the information your looking for, by the
way, what's the problem with it, we may be able to help.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 03:02:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Scott Tester <testersd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Giorgio Giugiaro
If you would like to learn more about the man that designed the DeLorean,
Check out this site!!
http://personal.redestb.es/jrsanchez/giugiaro.htm
Scott Tester testersd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Homepage http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/8240/DeLorean.html
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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 10:13:01
From: Massimo Troiani <maxt@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Help with power windows
Could anyone please help me. I am removing the door panels to get to the
power window assembly (it's not lowering the window, but the motor is
turning). I have taken the top panel off and have popped out the lower
plastic tabs, I have also removed the four screws at the top of the lower
panel. The lower panel still wont come off. It seems to be held on where
the door handle is. Did I forget to unscrew something. I don't see any
other screws or tabs for the lower panel.
Also does anyone know how to remove the seats.
Thanks a bunch
Massimo
VIN# 4819
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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 13:21:56 -0500
From: "Brad Smith" <brad@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Labor Day Troubles
To all who may have advice:
Before the big Labor Day Show in Springfield, MO today, I have been =
readily preparing my Delorean. Refinishing all the louvers and the =
windshield molding. Even giving its annual engine de-greasing. =
However, Friday night before the big show I decided to take it out for a =
short little drive. NOW...this is the first time in the past 8 years =
that the "D" has left me 'stranded'. I had noticed the lights were =
dimming at the stoplights and when the RPM's were low. But I was too =
far from home to make it back. Pulling into a parking lot, I killed =
it.....and the Delorean never came back to life. The battery has full =
power and several jumps and push starts still wouldn't do it....I have a =
pretty good feeling that it is the alternator!?!?. The push start would =
get the engine rumbling...but never fully running. It sounds like it =
wants to turn over, yet it won't. If anyone has any advice, I would =
greatly appreciate it! Any ideas?
- -Brad
VIN#001007
brad@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:53:07 -0700
From: raddad@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Interior Colors?
Further to the interior color comments are they affect the 83's.
My 83 in VIN 16867 and has the Two-tone interior: ie., both grey and black.
Rob Grady said that there were about 200 such cars. I'm sure that this is
partially due to some limitations on the interiors available and the end of
the run.
My dash, center console, doors and seats are black. The headliner,
carpeting, rear deck are grey. My earlier D was all grey. I must admit
that I have come to like this set-up even better.
Dick Ryan
The Rad Dad
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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 12:07:16 -0700
From: Hank Breer <hbreer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Giorgio Giugiaro
<snip>
> Check out this site!! http://personal.redestb.es/jrsanchez/giugiaro.htm
<snip>
If your browser (like mine) doesn't find it, try putting it in standard
form:
http://www.redestb.es/personal/jrsanchez/giugiaro.htm
Hank Breer
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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 16:58:21 -0400
From: tundra@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Wiring Diagram for CRAIG Radio wanted
Try "SAMS PHOTOFACT"
They will have the diagram.
http://www.hwsams.com/sams_model_new.html
Mike
DMCJoe wrote:
> BETTYCAT,
> The factory never made any information available for the radio. I would
> suggest you pull the radio and bring it to a reliable auto radio repair
> facility, they may have access to the information your looking for, by the
> way, what's the problem with it, we may be able to help.
> Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 16:18:39 -0500
From: Frank Karchefski <frank@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Vin # 5102 for sale
It is with deepest regrets that I must offer my baby, vin #5102 up for
adoption. Due to the devastation resulting from a divorce, I can no
longer take care of my stainless child
as it deserves. Therefore, anyone willing to adopt a loving piece of
automotive history, is invited to contact me and make arrangements for
delivery. The vehicle has 108,000
miles and has been a daily driver for the last 4 years, and has an
asking price of $9,000.
It has a few imperfections, but nothing that prevents it from being
driven and enjoyed.
I can be reached at 931-490-1867. Tons of pictures are available
Frank@xxxxxxxxx
ICQ # 8607560
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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 19:13:55 -0400
From: "Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Buying a disassembled D. What to look for?
Hi all,
I finally tracked down the local guy with the disassembled D in his garage.
I understand he took apart a perfectly functional, 16,000 mile car, to
completely clean and reassemble it. That was 10 years ago, and he hasn't
done a
single thing to it since. I understand he wants $5000, but hope to talk him
down to $4k. Does that sound about right?
I will be going to take a look at it this week. Is there anything in
particular
I should be looking for when I inspect the car? Any helpful hints would be
appreciated.
- -Dave in Pittsburgh
PS - Any Pittsburgh DeLorean owners on the list? I'm sure I'll need some
guidance if I do purchase this car.
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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 13:10:21 -0700
From: Eric Altendorf <altevan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Wheels & Tires
I found an article in California Engineer, Vol 76 issue 4, by Scott
Polston, about the 1997 Corvette. Maybe this is old news, but I thought
the section on tires and wheels was especially interesting, especially
after the recent discussions on tire/wheel sizing. (Reprinted w/o
permission):
"The first Corvette wore tires that had sidewalls 80mm high on 14-in.
wheels. At this point, high-speed racing was in its infancy and tire
companies were struggling to stay current. Rubber was often so uneven
and easily deformed when heated, so it was necessary to contruct large,
thick tires to compensate for the inferior production techniques. Years
passed and as tires were refined, new technology allowed sidewalls to
shrink and rims to grow. Large tires experience random and often
unexpected movement, while those with shorter sidewalls are less prone
to bounce and roll. Creating a suspension that responds accurately to
wheel input is difficult if the wheel itself is subject to haphazard
motion. Less movement in the tires allows for finer tuning of the
suspension components."
It seems to me that so long as the ultimate outer tire diameter remained
the same, only positive handling effects could result from upping the
DeLorean's wheel size and shrinking the sidewalls. It shouldn't
adversely affect the suspension design unless Lotus was counting on
flabby tires and incorporated that into their design. Am I all wet?
The article also mentions that the specific tires used on the new
Corvette are a new design from Goodyear, capable of driving at 55mph for
up to 200 miles with zero air pressure. This means that the spare tire
and jack are superfluous, which in turn means more cargo room.
Promising...?
- -e.
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:50:15 -0700
From: "Dave Price" <davep@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Help with power windows
>Could anyone please help me. I am removing the door panels to get to the
>power window assembly (it's not lowering the window, but the motor is
>turning). I have taken the top panel off and have popped out the lower
>plastic tabs, I have also removed the four screws at the top of the lower
>panel. The lower panel still wont come off. It seems to be held on where
>the door handle is. Did I forget to unscrew something. I don't see any
>other screws or tabs for the lower panel.
There are two screws, one on either side of the pull-handle. These are
very difficult to reach, you may want to unscrew/remove the inner door
pop lever to gain access to it with a right-angle screwdriver. otherwise,
you'll need a really, really long phillips (or a spindley little arm like
mine).
These are a major pain in the ass to remove and re-install. My pull handle
has been hanging by one screw ever since I took it off several months ago.
However, I think you'll be dissapointed with the "access" to the window
motor. I pulled off most of the stuff on the door, and I couldn't even see
the window motor, but maybe I'm blind... My problem was the window
was derailing itself, I had to loosen a screw and re-position it.. turns out
I didn't even need to remove the lower panel to begin with.. sigh.. oh well.
Joe at DMC services claims to be able to pull the lower trim on and off
in a few minutes, but I think he's a big liar, I wanna see a video tape of
this miracle act! (just kiddin' Joe!)
>Also does anyone know how to remove the seats.
>
There are four nuts directly under the seats that you can remove without
doing anything but reaching under the car with a socket wrench. Very
easy, and fun, it's the only thing I've taken off that wasn't a giant chore!
<g>
Just remember, if it's hard coming off, it'll be even harder goin' back on!
Good luck!
- - Dave
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:20:48 -0700
From: Luke Soasey <lsoasey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Alpine GT Turbo
> When I bought my turbo I call Turbo City as they had tons of
> background and they, after discussing my engines specifications and my
> driving expectations, supplied me with a Rajay turbo and wastegate
> that worked out quite well.
Hi Bruce,
I have been following the turbo thread on the DeLorean Mailing List
with considerable attention lately. In fact, I think the discussion
all started via a question I posted about single turbo upgrades.
Unfortunately the the topic has taken a few tangents, leaving my
questions mostly unanswered. I was originally hoping that people with
successful single turbo installations could impart their wisdom and
experience in the matter.
You mentioned in a recent post that Turbo City was good enough to
work out a design with you for the DeLorean. I am interested in
designing a similar setup. So far I have been looking at a Garrett
turbo. The difficulty I am facing right now is that of interconnect
fabrication. Would you mind telling me a bit about how made the
interface to the intake manifold and throttle body? Did you have this
machined? Cast? I have a friend that can weld and bend tubing for
me, but the mount to the intake system is above his capabilities.
While I am at it, maybe I could ask you a couple more questions...
Do you still have a catalytic converter and muffler in the exhaust
system? It would seem difficult to include both. This past weekend I
was fortunate enough to view Tito's car with the BAE single turbo kit
installed. (Unfortunately these are no longer available.) The muffler
was done away with and an after market catalytic was added. The
layout seemed straight forward and doable.
If a turbo for the Alpine GT Turbo could be found, maybe the
interconnect and interface pieces could be adapted for the delorean
with little modification. I agree with your statements about the
turbo being properly matched to the engine. A properly sized Garrett
or Rajay turbo bolted to already existing Alpine interface would be a
attractive solution.
I would appreciate any suggestions you or anyone else reading this
could provide.
Thanks,
Luke Soasey
#4955
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 19:08:39 -0400
From: "Sean Howley" <tsuyoi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Interior Colors?
Rad Dad,
Recently, I ordered a new set of headliners and accidently purchased the
grey ones (I have the black interior on my '81), and like yourself, I
believe that the grey headliners with the black seats, dash, etc. looks a
bit better - to me anyway - than the original dark grey/charcole headliner.
Sean Howley
>
>Further to the interior color comments are they affect the 83's.
>
>My 83 in VIN 16867 and has the Two-tone interior: ie., both grey and black.
>Rob Grady said that there were about 200 such cars. I'm sure that this is
>partially due to some limitations on the interiors available and the end of
>the run.
>
>My dash, center console, doors and seats are black. The headliner,
>carpeting, rear deck are grey. My earlier D was all grey. I must admit
>that I have come to like this set-up even better.
>
>Dick Ryan
>The Rad Dad
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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 21:08:36 +0100
From: "Ian T. A. Foster" <ian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Banged up D
How'ya Martin,
Still reckon you can get a lot-more-car for a lot-less-money, take a
holiday to US of A and have you'll have a real fine selections of D's to
choose from! For US$10,000 at Easter'98 I got a perfect, spotless 28k
miles, Nov.'81. You'll have a lot of work on your hands to get this one
pretty!
I head back to LosAngeles on 25Sept98(ish) to drive the DeLorean to
Baltimore, via NewOrleans (3500miles) ..... yippee!!! US$350 will ship
her back to N.Ireland on a drive-on, drive-off ferry. Hopefully meet
some DMCers along the way to make it an even more enjoyable trip. Wonder
if there are any DMC events on then?
Cheers, IAN
Martin Gutkowski (UK) wrote:
>
> I would much appreciate knowledgable people's view of this car as a
> potential purchase. You can't see much from these pics, but suffice to
> say the interior's a wreck and every panel other than bonnet and roof
> has some sort of dent. No serious accidents. ALL mechanicals and frame
> are fine. It has no louvers. Asking price, 5000 pounds (about $8000).
>
> http://delorean.connect-2.co.uk/join.htm
>
> Thanks,
>
> Martin
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 20:35:46 -0400
From: "DMCJoe" <dmcjoe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Re: Help with power windows
Dave,
I think I went through the Twilight Zone on this post, I believe I
responded to this same message twice over the weekend, I went to my deleted
file and I can't find my responses, what's going on here? I'll try again.
First off DO NOT REMOVE the Phillips head screws attached to the side of
the pull handle!, this is not the way to remove the lower panel. Do remove
the two fasteners (10mm bolts or Phillips head screws located under the
interior pull handle and mirror switch blank/dummy cover down inside the
door. You will find more details on my previous post somewhere in the
Twilight Zone. If you would like you can contact me directly at 770
631-4800 this number is accessible 24hrs a day.
Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 8:45:40 -0600
From: Greg Guillot <gguillot@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Calipers
I am currently overhauling my calipers and in the instructions on the
Girling caliper rebuild kits, it states in big bold letters to NOT
disassemble the caliper halves. I asked a local brake expert why not,
and he told me that there are a number of small o-rings that seal the
passages and that it would be a mess to try and find the correct
replacement o-rings and to reassemble the halves while keeping the
o-rings aligned.
Greg Guillot
#2926
On 7 Sep 98 at 0:11, TRENT BAILEY wrote:
> I am looking into having my calipers chromed, or powder coated. Is there
> any reason why the two halves of the calipers should not be took apart.
>
> Trent Bailey
> email: winger2@xxxxxxxxx
>
>
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 21:15:52 -0400
From: Jack Stiefel <DMC-FLUX@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: D's for sale and shimmy
I have finally found a small problem with my D. While driving there is =
a shimmy from the front of the car. It is not causing any difficulty =
driving, but is still a small pain in the neck. The only things done in =
the front of the car have been the front rack being replaced and the =
brakes done.=20
Also if there are any rough D's out there for sale I am interested in =
looking for a second one to work on for my wife.
John L. Stiefel, II
DMC Vin: #3461
Licence: Flux1
Visit my site at http://www.geocities.com/rodeodrive/8601/delorean.html
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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 02:16:32 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Alice's R-DMC98
Hi all !, and hoping all had a great time at The Delorean LA98 Expo.
We (the wife and I) were unable to make the big event, although we had
reservations and made preparations to caravan down with Ken Montgomery an=
d
perhaps James (Hayward) but circumstances just would not allow it.
I look forward to seeing reports and impressions from DML members who
attended, and to get things off to a rolling start here s a report on the=
:
Alice=92s Restrant-DMC98 Expo and Brunch held on Sunday Sept 6, 98
at
Alice's Restaurant on Skyline Blvd above picturesque Half Moon Bay on the
California Pacific Coast. Located in the majestic Redwood groves on SkyLi=
ne
Blvd, Alice's has been a traditional Motor Head' hangout for many years.
This years festive Brunch also included two 81 DMC's owned by Lee of
(Berkeley) "81DMC-12) and James of (Hayward) "STAINLS". Both parked side =
by
side attracted many of the Hundreds of Motor Heads at the festive brunch.
It was amazing to see how many people wanted to have their pictures taken
with the DMCs in the background.
The food was great, weather worm and calm, with an ever changing
parade =
of
fantastic motorcycles and custom cars to look at. The drive up to Alice's
wends threw the California Redwood stands and was fun to drive in the
DeLoreans. What can be said for an open winding country two lane black to=
p
except - Terrific!
Photos to follow soon!
Lee
81DMC-12
=20
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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 22:49:28 -0700
From: Hank Breer <hbreer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Help with power windows
Massimo Troiani wrote:
<snip>
> The lower panel still wont come off. It seems to be held on where
> the door handle is. Did I forget to unscrew something. ...
> Also does anyone know how to remove the seats.
<snip>
1. Use a LONG phillips head screw driver slipped behind the loosened panel
to
remove the screws in the side of the door handle or refer to Joe's response
to Automatic lock inspection removal procedure on Aug 31.
2. Remove the 4 nuts from beneath the car and lift out the seats..
Hank
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 00:47:12 -0500
From: "Brad Smith" <brad@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Help with power windows
Massimo,
There are two screws. Each on the front and back side of the lower door
handle. You can try prying down the panel far enough to get your arm in to
unscrew them (Just don't flex the panel so much that it breaks). I,
personally, custom built a two foot phillips screwdriver. It goes right in
and takes out the screws. Plus, putting it back on is a much easier task!
Good Luck!
- -Brad
VIN# 1007
brad@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 22:46:10 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Seat Removal (Was: Help with power windows)
Taking the seats out is easy, but be careful when reinstalling them.
The nuts do not require a lot of torque, and the studs on the tracks are
easily broken off! If you break a stud, you will either need a new
track or a new stud welded in.
Marc
Dave Price wrote:
>
> >Also does anyone know how to remove the seats.
> >
>
> There are four nuts directly under the seats that you can remove without
> doing anything but reaching under the car with a socket wrench. Very
> easy, and fun, it's the only thing I've taken off that wasn't a giant
chore!
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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 19:02:18 -0700
From: Mostafa Sayed <phoenixl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: yet another DeLorean appearance.
I saw that game awhile ago, it was mentioned once in the mailing list.
It
looks like the police in the game have modified the DeLorean by puting a
bunch
of high powered guns on it. It looks good. It's at http://www.activision.com
under the game name, Interstate '82
Later,
Mostafa
PS: On the subject of DeLoreans in computer software, Im almost done with
the
second expansion of the DeLorean '95 desktop theme, it will include the
start-up
and shut-down screens. Go to http://members.tripod.com/~Phoenix007/ for more
information. If you haven't downloaded the theme, make sure you do.
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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:07:17 -0600
From: "Dale Schaub" <DaleSchaub@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Insurance
Folks,
The DeLorean Owners Association worked for more than ten years negotiating
lower insurance. The company they came to an agreement with was American
Modern Home. I immediately told American Modern Home that I was interested
so they would apply for their license in Arizona. American Modern Home had
to apply for a license in each state where they wanted to operate.
After about six months, DeLorean Owners Association announced that the
interest of the Owners was to low and stopped the program.
However, I did get insurance through them and I still have it with them. I
pay $275 per year, and for anyone that knows what insurance costs are in
Arizona this is really cheap. My driving is limited to 2,500 miles per year,
and the car can only be used for pleasure (not to and from work).
dale
- -----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Bohmier <Bohmier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Monday, September 07, 1998 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: DML: Insurance
>Folks:
>
>I feel that I am paying more than I need to for insurance.
>
>How is that report coming along?
>
>My car is rated for City-Pleasure and costs about $800.00 annually.
>
>Who are some of the competitive insurance carriers?
>
>Thomas Bohmier
>
>Moore wrote:
>
>> I agree. I pay $311.00 every six months for full coverage and etc.
>> I've been told that I can get it cheaper if designate my "D" as a
>> collector auto and only drive it Miles a year. Haven't inquired about
>
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 98 23:44:26 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Fwd: DeLorean PARTS FOR SALE
- ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ----------------
Date: 09/08 3:20 AM
Received: 09/08 9:57 AM
From: webm64ca@xxxxxxxxxx, webmaster@xxxxxxxxxx
To: fmunro1034@xxxxxxx
If you are interested in purchasing DeLorean parts, I have a list of parts
I am selling. I would like to sell them as a package and I'm accepting
any
reasonable offer. Please check out the list at...
www.tdgllc.com/delorean.htm
or E-Mail me @
dmc@xxxxxxxxxx
Also, if you know of anyone looking for parts, please forward this message
to them. Thank you, Jason.
- ----------------- End Forwarded Message -----------------
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 06:56:26 -0600 (MDT)
From: raddad@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Wheels & Tires
While I had not read the aritcle that Eric quoted, I, too, had heard
essentially the same thing. Alledgedly, going up an inch in rim size and
down an "aspect" in tire size produced not only a more modern look, but
better handling as well.
I'm curious whether Joe or others who disagree with this approach can offer
more insight. Perhaps this is one of those things about which there is no
absolutely definitive answer??
Along this same line, many early owners put 1/2" spacers behind their front
wheels to gain a wider track. I've no idea of the results - godd or bad.
Dick Ryan
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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 02:06:56 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Interior Colors?
At 12:53 PM 9/7/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Further to the interior color comments are they affect the 83's.
>
>My 83 in VIN 16867 and has the Two-tone interior: ie., both grey and black.
>Rob Grady said that there were about 200 such cars. I'm sure that this is
>partially due to some limitations on the interiors available and the end of
>the run.
>
>My dash, center console, doors and seats are black. The headliner,
>carpeting, rear deck are grey. My earlier D was all grey. I must admit
>that I have come to like this set-up even better.
>
>Dick Ryan
>The Rad Dad
>
>
>
Hi Rad!
I have an OCT 81 Build and it is Gray with Tan head liners.
Lee
81DMC 12
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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 02:00:37 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Help with power windows
At 10:13 AM 9/7/98, you wrote:
>Could anyone please help me. I am removing the door panels to get to the
>power window assembly (it's not lowering the window, but the motor is
>turning). I have taken the top panel off and have popped out the lower
>plastic tabs, I have also removed the four screws at the top of the lower
>panel. The lower panel still wont come off. It seems to be held on where
>the door handle is. Did I forget to unscrew something. I don't see any
>other screws or tabs for the lower panel.
>
>Also does anyone know how to remove the seats.
>
>Thanks a bunch
>Massimo
>VIN# 4819
>
>
reply:
I can help with the seats....it's easy, they are held by 4 bolts and that
go straight down threw the bottom FRP shell. You can reach all of them
easily with out jacking up the DMC. I would suggest that after removal,
when you reinstall the seats you also should use a sealer to prevent water
getting in from the road.
Lee
81DMC-12
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 02:23:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bill Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Grand Delusions
I recently read Grand Delusions and found it a very interesting book. I
must admit, I never knew that JZD was such a feeb. But more importantly,
the book says some unflattering things about the car that I hadn't heard
on the list, and I was wondering if anyone can comment.
First, it says that the car weighs a good deal more than I thought it did.
It claims that it weighs in at 3100+ pounds - whereas I always thought it
weighed about 2700 pounds. Was his car weighed with Roseanne Barr driving
it, or does it legitimately weigh more than I thought?
Second, it says that the acceleration is downright bad - 0 to 60 in 10.5
seconds. I had always thought that it was about 8.5 seconds. Was he
talking about the automatic transmission, or is something wrong? 8.5
seconds is slower than a lot of modern cars, like the Camaro or,
amusingly, the Lincoln Continental. 10.5 seconds is slower than a lot of
modern cars, like, well, just about anything except a minivan (and some
of them).
Has anyone tested under "official" or at least official-seeming
conditions, what the turbo or twin-turbo modification does to your 0-60
times? A lot of legitimately fast cars, like the Toyota Supra, are in the
6 second range... :}
The book also mentions some defects that I haven't heard complaints about,
like ill-fitting doors and body panels, doors freezing shut, front
suspension damage, and discoloration of the body panels. Oh, and he
mentioned something about the electrical. ;) And the age-old question -
how does one enter a locked car with a dead battery? (the answer - don't
use a dead battery, use a key?)
Is any of this true? If so - bummer. :) Of course, the book was never
intended to be complimentary, so I'll try to take this for what it's
worth...
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 12:01:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bill Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Insurance Database (second call for data)
On Sun, 6 Sep 1998, Thomas Bohmier wrote:
> I feel that I am paying more than I need to for insurance.
Don't we all. :}
> How is that report coming along?
Poorly. I have only received about half a dozen responses. :(
Therefore, treat this as a second call for information. If you want to
contribute to the insurance database (and believe me, you want to :) )
then please, fill in the blanks and email your answer to me at
fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxxx I hope to have at least one response on file from
every state, except perhaps Alaska. Once I get enough responses to create
meaningful statistics, "Stainless Steel Hand Espey" has offered to host
the information on the web site. But I think it would look silly with
only five entries.
Therefore, if you have a DMC, and you have it insured, and your insurance
is for something other than storage only, please fill out the following
questionnaire (Version 1.1) and return it to me. You'll make everyone
happy if you supply as much as possible of the information on the form.
Thanks. :)
- ---
What model D you have and whether you have put any insurance-eating
modifications (turbo, nitrous, super-sound, flux capacitor) into it. If
so, how much of an effect did this have on your quote, if you know. One
other question: Does lowering the front on the D raise the insurance
rates? (preliminary evidence says no...)
Age, sex, family/marriage status and homeowner status
Where you live. In particular what state, but also whether you live in
the city or in a rural area, and if so, which city.
What your driving record is like. Anyone that wants to would make me
happy if they told me specifically how many tickets and accidents, if any,
you have.
What other vehicles you own, if any, and which one is your "primary"
driver.
What flavor of insurance you have. Is your D insured for standard, full
coverage? Do you have mileage or usage restrictions?
What sort of car your insurance company claims you have. It's probably
not an SUV or a pickup, but did they insist on calling it a "sports car"
or did you convince them that it's a coupe, classic, or some generic
category?
If you considered other vehicles in the same class as the D, what did the
insurance companies tell you they would cost?
Who it is that you have actally convinced to insure your car.
And of course, how much all this costs you, per vehicle.
Thanks for your help!
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Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 12:01:20 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Wheels & Tires
If a larger DMC Look alike wheel could be made specifically for the car,
this would be interesting..
I like the appearance of the stock rims, and would not be so quick to
change them.
Also, Some people have had trouble with the lug nuts loosening up on
after market rims. The result is that the lugs need to be tightened
very often, or a stud can break.
Marc
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 11:19:08 -0500
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: Re: DML: Alpine GT Turbo
Jordan wrote:
>
> Bill Wilson wrote:
>
> > . There is one car which came from
> > the factory with twin turbos as a prototype, but no one seems to know
> > where it is.
>
> MODERATOR'S NOTE: I believe Steve Wynne at DMC (Houston) has the original
> Legend turbo prototype.
I saw the proto type yesterday morning, Steve Wynne, of DeLorean Motor
Company, Houston, is storing it and it is in his show room. It goes with
a real kick.
Scott Mueller
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